Re: The 4-line limit to E-mail Signature Blocks and Accessibility
Omer Zak <w1-W6cp89mEpD1mR6Xm/[email protected]> Sat, 05 Mar 2011 04:40:30 +0200
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On Fri, 2011-03-04 at 14:48 +0200, Shlomi Fish wrote:
> I've been thinking that maybe such two-column and ASCII-art-bases signature is
> not very accessible to people using screen-readers and/or Braille-devices
> (e.g: people who are blind or otherwise sight-disabled.)
[... snipped ...]
> Omer (Zak), as our resident accessibility expert, what are your views on this?
On the face of it, your suggestion makes sense. The drawback is that it
somewhat limits people's ability to express themselves artistically
(this is one of the excuses used by movie makers to avoid putting
captions in their movies - "visual clutter").
I think that people who read Braille can deal with .sigs (except for the
ASCII art part, which needs more "global view").
I suggest that you ask people with visual impairment for their
experiences with .sigs, and if they don't already have workarounds for
grokking .sigs.
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<p>On Fri, 2011-03-04 at 14:48 +0200, Shlomi Fish wrote:<br>
> I've been thinking that maybe such two-column and ASCII-art-bases signature is <br>
> not very accessible to people using screen-readers and/or Braille-devices <br>
> (e.g: people who are blind or otherwise sight-disabled.)<br>
<br>
[... snipped ...]<br>
<br>
> Omer (Zak), as our resident accessibility expert, what are your views on this?<br>
<br>
On the face of it, your suggestion makes sense. The drawback is that it<br>
somewhat limits people's ability to express themselves artistically<br>
(this is one of the excuses used by movie makers to avoid putting<br>
captions in their movies - "visual clutter").<br>
<br>
I think that people who read Braille can deal with .sigs (except for the<br>
ASCII art part, which needs more "global view").<br>
<br>
I suggest that you ask people with visual impairment for their<br>
experiences with .sigs, and if they don't already have workarounds for<br>
grokking .sigs.<br>
<br>
--- Omer<br>
<br>
-- <br>
In civilized societies, captions are as important in movies as<br>
soundtracks, professional photography and expert editing.<br>
My own blog is at <a href="http://www.zak.co.il/tddpirate/">http://www.zak.co.il/tddpirate/</a><br>
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