Mg // Re: beyondhom Re: rubric help & thoughts needed

Thanks for the very healpful info Irene - Dr Betty Martini in her work 
against Aspartane brought this to my attention together with great Aspartane 
detox info (is it a homeopathic remedy - amazing what that might cure) she 
is recommending the Jigsaw Magnesium product as a good option.  Meantime I 
went & bought a bottle of Mg supplement from the supermarket as a healthier 
option hopefully and without the Aspartate ingredient as the Jigsaw products 
are only availble in US and will take a while to get here.

I checked the other supplement company I have a practitioner account with 
and they too have Mg Aspartate in their Mg product - so they received a 
questioning email from me too! I am surprised on this - they are meant to be 
among the best - Prof Ian Brighthope's Nutrition Care Pharmaceutical 
company.

However I quote this from another practitioner in another group where I also 
expressed my concern:

>>Magnesium aspartate is in many supplements, especially the popular sports 
>>supplement, ZMA.  Although aspartic acid does perform as an excitotoxin in 
>>some forms, such as aspartame, it has many benefits when attached to 
>>minerals such as magnesium and potassium.  I continue to prescribe a 
>>mineral supplement that has a magnesium aspartate component in it with 
>>great success.

I nave not seen negative studies on this product except for cautions for 
those with brain malfunctions such as epilepsy, Alzheimer's, and 
Parkinson's.  On the other hand, there are many natural supplement suppliers 
that feature magnesium aspartate and its base amino acid, asparagine. 
SpectraCell actually analyzes blood for asparagine and recommends that some 
level of it be maintained in the blood through diet or supplements. 
Asparagine is found in asparagus (of course), orange, grapefruit, tomato, 
pineapple and more.<<

Jane

 >
> I happen to need more magnesium than most due to a kidney switch-gene 
> defect, and that has led me to study in depth (and experience, due to my 
> kidneys pumping it out all the time) just what forms or magnesium do 
> which.
> I'd never dream of using aspartate....
>
> Always also remember that it takes Vit B6 to absorb magnesium and it takes 
> Magnesium to absorb it B6 - and both are nerve nutrients - and nerves make 
> muscles work. The other member of the trio is Potassium - as if potassium 
> is low, it will not "hold" the magnesium and vice versa.
>
>>  Anyone care to
>> comment? Or recommend an alternative?
>
> Part of my Mg knowledge is passed on from a Doctor now deceased, who also 
> had inherited Mg loss, and who studied what forms work how. I've aded more 
> from my correspondence with an Italian doctor who has researched Magnesium 
> chloride in particular with some fascinating findings. So to summarize the 
> two doctors and my personal findings:
>
> If  you are very low on magnesium and need a fast pick-up due to say 
> cramps and pain or impending heart attack
> then Magnesium gluconate is your go-to item, as it absorbs in about one 
> hour. It comes in tablets with only 27 or 30 mg of elemental magnesium in 
> each, depending on the brand. (It's because 500mg of magnesium gluconate w 
> contains 30mg of magnesium). SO if you take 6 of those (only 180mg of Mg) 
> at once, it will stop the cramps of heart muscle strain in an hour or so.
> Also if you plan to do a lot of physical exercise, like run a marathon - 
> it is smart to take 6 before  you start.
>
> In cases where there is steady magnesium loss as I have, it takes 6 of 
> these an hour before any active hour such as shopping etc, to  keep levels 
> okay.
>
> For chronic diseases where magnesium is part of it, (anything with muscle 
> pain or nerve pain or stress like fibromyalgia or cushings syndrome for 
> example), there is only one form that can get into the muscles really 
> well, and that is Magnesium chloride.  It helps in al the chronic case 
> situations, including mine which involves fast loss of magnesium. No other 
> form helps me regain lost magnesium enough to make my system function. The 
> Italian doctor proved this in research - that it is the best form for all 
> forms of chronic need for magnesium - but last we spoke, he had not yet 
> figured out WHY it worked where other forms did not.
> In USA, Magnesium chloride is hard to find, though all pharmacies have 
> access to it. You do not find it in HF stores, nor do  you find it alone 
> as a Mg supplement. It comes one way only and that is in slow release 
> tablets with a coating to pass the stomach undigested (which otherwise 
> halves its absorption) and with calcium also in the tablet whether you 
> want it there or not.   Again there is not that much Mg in a tablet - 
> 64mg, with two considered a "dose" per the label. The only way to get it 
> is to ask a pharmacist to get it for you from their warehouse.
>
> Advantages of MgCl include that it does not mess about with your stomach 
> acid, and digestive system.
> It does get absorbed in ways that the metabolism can use in deep muscles. 
> Other forms will give superficial benefits only.
> However the chloride part is quite laxative so you can not take more than 
> "bowel tolerance". Usually that is actually the best guide to need however 
> as constipation IS a symptom of magnesium deficiency.
>
> Both Magnesium gluconate and Magnesium chloride are only available (to my 
> knowledge) via a pharmacist as OTC items that they tend not to stock, but 
> can get overnight from a warehouse.
>
> HF stores have many forms of Mg, and they do no do half as much good as 
> the above two.
> Citrate is probably the least harmful of these.
> Oxide is horrible (but dirt cheap junk) - it will mess up digestion, and 
> other metabolism.
>
> By the way, Constipation as a magnesium deficiency, is why Milk of 
> Magnesia is  magnesium,. BUT that is either magnesium hydroxide or 
> magnesium sulphate and  you do NOT want that to mess up your gut lining, 
> nor to take out your protein digestion as an antacid! (It's not a reflux 
> inhibitor.)
>
> I'd never heard of aspartate but  Magnesium reacts with most things so you 
> can make almost any compound with it that your heart desires - or in this 
> case that your heart does not want.
>
> I suggest stick to Magnesium chloride (which takes at least 8 hrs to 
> absorb as do almost all magnesium forms except gluconate) as a regular 
> supplement. Trade names include Magdelay, Mag 64, Slowmag.
> Plus Magnesium gluconate for fast results needs. Trade names include 
> Rugby, Magonate.
> Just remember they have little magnesium per tablet so you do need them in 
> quantity per dose .... not the "convenient" 300mg of Mg types at the HF 
> store that do not really get to the heart of the problem.
>