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Hi Ellen,
My son is a math wiz. Words are not forthcoming. He comes from a long lin=
e of these types who get diabetes and cancer as they age.
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I did score 100 on the algebra/trig regents exam and a 5 of 5 on the Calcul=
us BC advanced college placement exam, in my day. ;)=20
If this is the same son you once wrote is hypoglycemic, then miasmatic tre=
atment with appropriate nosodes is more useful prior to emergence of diabet=
es since the disease is already progressing in a pre-allopathic recognized =
disease state. Especially if a glucose tolerance test GTT shows blood gluc=
ose abnormalities like reactive hypoglycemia which is just a former name fo=
r prediabetes.
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Here's an interesting well written discussion on miasms, disease including =
info on not waiting for symptoms to appear before treating which is general=
ly what classical homeopaths are taught to do. It is written by Steve Deck=
er, Rudi Verspoor and Patty Smith who founded Helkunst, another viewpoint o=
f classical homeopathy based on all of Hahnemann's ideas. They promote seq=
uential miasmatic therapy, giving nosodes in a predetermined method based o=
n Dr. Elmiger along with sequential treatment like giving vaccine remedies =
in the order one was given them to reverse harm. They claim some autism suc=
cess this way.=20
http://www.heilkunst.com/books/attachments/chronic-diseases-miasms.pdf
There were many heated debates in the distant past between them and David L=
ittle on the Homeopathy Mail List now simultaneously included on www.otherh=
ealth.com and they've written thought provoking info including suggesting =
Hahnemann changed his published views on isopathy between the 5th and 6th e=
dition Organon and give the reasons why.=20=20
It's also provides ideas for current homeopaths to evaluate cases to determ=
ine if treatment should be based on miasms and/or repping current symptoms,=
looking for one simillimum. I now know many of my lifetime rubrics are du=
e to latent psora as described in Hahnemann's Chronic Diseases. In the past=
, repping just on them gave good but ineffectual remedies and this paper ex=
plains why.
While researching I see Patty Smith, Rudi's wife, passed on:
http://www.homeopathy.com/college-info/304/patty-smith-verspoor-remembered
There's no reason to allow someone to wait to have diabetes or other illnes=
ses especially if shown inherited and already developing. Diabetes is one =
disease that can be detected in many of those predisposed years before emer=
gence. Though there is no way of knowing if early on miasmatic nosode inter=
vention would prevent a genetically inherited illness from emerging regardl=
ess but might lessen it's devastating effects.=20
Personally, as I've written before elsewhere, none of my previous "classica=
l" homeopaths fully followed miasmatic prescribing, nor used LM potencies, =
thus my own 20 year homeopathic treatment missed the mark and now I'm tryin=
g to play catch-up and reverse/stop miasmatic progression and hopefully cir=
cumvent further organ damage.=20=20
It is due to the divine intervention of Dr. Luc inspired classical homeopa=
th Kari Kindem that put me on the right miasmatic track. I'm honored Kari =
has included me on her website!
http://homeopathyforwomen.org/testimonials.htm#Homeopath_Talks_About_Karis_=
Support_of_Her_Care_
Best,
Susan
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From: Ellen Madono [email protected] [beyondhomeopathy] <beyondhomeopa=
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To: beyondhomeopathy <[email protected]>
Sent: Wed, May 21, 2014 6:40 pm
Subject: Re: beyondhom thoughts besides Ars?
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Dear Shannon,
I thought he is like my son.=20=20
Mind; anxiety; health, about:
absin acet-ac ACON adam aeth AGAR AGN aloe alum alum-p alum-sil am-c AML-N=
androc ant-t aran-ix ARG ARG-N arist-cl arn ARS ars-h astac aur-m aur-m-n =
aur-s bar-c bell blatta bor bov brom BRY bufo CALAD CALC calc-ar calc-f CAL=
C-P calc-s calc-sil calop-s cand-a cann-i canth caras carb-v CARC caust che=
l CHIN-AR choc cinis-p clad-r COCC cop corv-c cub culx-p cupr cygn-c der el=
ectr epip euph fic-sp FL-AC galeoc-c germ gink glon grat haliae-lc HEP herp=
-s hist hyos IGN KALI-AR KALI-BR kali-c kali-m kali-p kali-sil kreos lac-c =
lac-eq lac-lup LACH lamp-c lat-h LIL-T LOB LYC m-arct mag-m MED merc meteo-=
a micro-a morg musc-d NAT-C nat-glt nat-m nat-p NIT-AC nux-m NUX-V onc-t or=
o-ac ozon parth perl PH-AC PHEL phlor PHOS plac plut-n podo POSIT psor PULS=
ruta sabad scut sel SEP sil sop-m spect spong staph sulph SYPH tarent tax =
tela uran-n
Mind; abstraction of mind:
acon acon-l agath-a agn alco ALUM am-c aml-n ang anh arbu-m ARN aur-m-n be=
ll berb biti-a bov bufo calop-s calx-b camph CANN-I caps carb-ac carc caust=
cer cer-c cer-o CHAM chlam-t choc cic colch con cortico CROC cupr cycl dys=
-co elaps euphr falco-p GRAPH guai haliae-lc HELL herin holm holm-c holm-m =
holm-n holm-o hydrog HYOS hyper ictod interf irid kali-c KREOS latex laur l=
ava-f lsd LYC lyss mag-c mang MERC MEZ mobil-ph nat-c NAT-M nelu NUX-M nux-=
v OENA OL-AN olnd ONOS op ozon ph-ac PHOS plat plb plut-n psil-c ran-b saba=
d salx-f sars sec sil sile-c spong stann stram sul-ac SULPH thuj TUB verb v=
esp VISC
Mind; order, desire for:
anac arg ARS bos-s calc calc-i calop-s carb-v carc carn-g cath-a cer-c chi=
r-f culx-p enal-c ephe-v fic-m fic-sp hema-h herin hydr-ac kali-c lac-eq la=
mp-c lant-p lsd marm-a nitro nux-v plac plut-n salx-f sep sulph tax tour-w =
ulm-c uran vani-p
Unknown hyper small remedies come after. Calop-s and plutonium. Probably =
have no physicals in these new provings.
Using facial analysis and classical analysis, I got the Ars answer for my s=
on. I doubt that I used the same rubrics as above. The above were selecte=
d with a bit more distance. The mess is because he is not focused on the c=
oncrete. Can't multitask. Wants the parents to even pretend that they wer=
e orderly (normal married couple).=20=20
Carc. comes before Ars because of alphabetical order. And it is a small re=
medy. So, I would consider it if Ars does not work. Both are brown accor=
ding to HFA.
Ars. made a big difference for my son. He was having rage because others w=
ere not following his hyper-ordered (in the abstract) expectations. He was=
about to have a rage fit at the customs official. That's when I noticed. =
The official was making a decision that did not make "sense."=20
My son is a math wiz. Words are not forthcoming. He comes from a long lin=
e of these types who get diabetes and cancer as they age.
Best.
Ellen
Ellen Madono
On Thu, May 22, 2014 at 3:35 AM, Shannon Nelson [email protected] [beyo=
ndhomeopathy] <[email protected]> wrote:
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Thanks, Irene!=20=20
Some more questions:=20=20
- The ones you have mentioned are mineral or plant or (only one?) animal. =
Have you identified an ICT for any of the nosodes, e.g. Med, Psor, Syph, C=
arc, Tub? Or other infective agents?=20=20
- What does this phrase mean? "inherited traits plus the matched remedy a=
dded ones." What are matched remedy added traits?
- I know you have explained this in the past, but for my imperfect memory =
and imperfect email storage, can you outline the purposes for which you use=
a patient's / client's ICT remedy? I recall that it's a sometimes crucial=
, supportive intercurrent during treating of severe illness. How else do y=
ou use them?
Thanks again!
Shannon
On May 21, 2014, at 9:11 AM, "Irene de Villiers [email protected] [be=
yondhomeopathy]" <[email protected]> wrote:
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On May 20, 2014, at 9:02 PM, Shannon Nelson [email protected] [beyondho=
meopathy] wrote:
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> Do you have any comments about what remedies you have seen to occur as IC=
T, rather than as a traumatic, or illness-based, or ??? "layer"?=20=20
Hi Shannon, Thanks....
As to what ICT types I have seen, there are many and some are a lot more co=
mmon than others. This variation in distribution makes it hard to get them=
all documented, it is a huge body of work.
So I feel I have just started it, despite having spent so many years at it.=
It takes a lot of examples to fully confirm what is an ICT feature and wha=
t is not, and how each one is at a specific age.
ALl this to say - it is early days and impossible yet to say how many types=
there are. SO far I can not rule out anything.
The commoner ones - with many individuals to reperesent the ICT - are like =
those that come up often here, Ars, Lyc, Phos, Puls, Sul, Calc, and some ot=
hers.
Some less common ones are Colch, Spong, Lach, Plat, Stram.=20=20=20
In-between in incidence frequency are ones like Calc-phos, Ign, Nat-m, SIl,=
Sep.....
I think I so far counted about thirty or so that I have spotted and lined u=
p with a specific remedy.
There are many more I am sure, now just sets of inherited traits that recur=
as I know from my prior genetics work but not yet linked with their specif=
ic remedy - or maybe a possible link but as yet unconfirmed by enough exam=
ples.
It is just hard to find the links between the inherited trait sets, an=
d the remedy that correlates to them. I counted actual relevant rubrics in=
synthesis for some of the known ones, and it is less than one per cent. So=
it is not much to go on to make the initial tenuous link to a remedy, befo=
re it can be confirmed using multiple examples in multiple species (difficu=
lt with more rare ICTs) and only then it can be combined into one set of da=
ta that includes the inherited traits plus the matched remedy added ones.=20
I know it took me more than ten years to confidently document Plat for exam=
ple, and when I did, I could then tell that I had missed one right under my=
nose for all that time:-)=20
Sometimes there is one very weird rubric that causes me to suspect a remedy=
association, and following up with hours of rubric study may clinch it, or=
may do the opposite. It helps that Synthesis has the rubrics list for each=
remedy - and that I have the patience to go through ten thousand or more r=
ubrics of a remedy to seek the one percent of rubrics that might pertain to=
inherited traits :-)=20
Once a match is made, it often gives the feeling of "why did I not see that=
before", as things start to stick me in the eye. But the initial connectio=
n can be hard to make.
Still, there have to be a lot more to find and confirm. Enough for all the=
sets of genetic traits that go in discrete groups. SO - bottom line I do n=
ot really know how many there are. Yet.
It is all very logical however. It makes perfect sense that we have very fe=
w of certain types of personality - after all, the world turns based on a p=
roper balance of people with different interests. We need entertainers, inv=
entors, artists, dictators (eg to manage mass crisis situations and restore=
order over panic), health care folk, builders, designers, folk in a myriad=
of activity areas, and so on. There is so much logic to how it all works t=
ogether. If you ever lived with a Lach, you'd know why that type is rare, t=
wo of them in one place would be a bit much.....One queen/king requiring cu=
rtseys and assuming regal-style orders will be unquestioned, is enough in o=
ne environment - there needs to be a good ratio of generals and troops - or=
as Lach might see it, - queens and plebs.=20=20
Namaste,
Irene
--
Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."
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<div><font style="background-color: transparent;">Hi Ellen,</font></div>
<div style="color: black;font-family: arial,helvetica;font-size: 10pt;"><blockquote style="border-left-color: blue;border-left-width: 2px;border-left-style: solid;">My son is a math wiz. Words are not forthcoming. He comes from a long line of these types who get diabetes and cancer as they age.</blockquote></div>
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<div>I did score 100 on the algebra/trig regents exam and a 5 of 5 on the Calculus BC advanced college placement exam, in my day. ;) </div>
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<div> If this is the same son you once wrote is hypoglycemic, then miasmatic treatment with appropriate nosodes is more useful prior to emergence of diabetes since the disease is already progressing in a pre-allopathic recognized disease state. Especially if a glucose tolerance test GTT shows blood glucose abnormalities like reactive hypoglycemia which is just a former name for prediabetes.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Here's an interesting well written discussion on miasms, disease including info on not waiting for symptoms to appear before treating which is generally what classical homeopaths are taught to do. It is written by Steve Decker, Rudi Verspoor and Patty Smith who founded Helkunst, another viewpoint of classical homeopathy based on all of Hahnemann's ideas. They promote sequential miasmatic therapy, giving nosodes in a predetermined method based on Dr. Elmiger along with sequential treatment like giving vaccine remedies in the order one was given them to reverse harm. They claim some autism success this way. </div>
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<div><a href="http://www.heilkunst.com/books/attachments/chronic-diseases-miasms.pdf">http://www.<b>heilkunst</b>.com/books/attachments/chronic-diseases-<b>miasms</b>.</a><b><a>pdf</a></b></div>
<div> </div>
<div>There were many heated debates in the distant past between them and David Little on the Homeopathy Mail List now simultaneously included on <a href="http://www.otherhealth.com">www.otherhealth.com</a> and they've written thought provoking info including suggesting Hahnemann changed his published views on isopathy between the 5th and 6th edition Organon and give the reasons why. </div>
<div> </div>
<div>It's also provides ideas for current homeopaths to evaluate cases to determine if treatment should be based on miasms and/or repping current symptoms, looking for one simillimum. I now know many of my lifetime rubrics are due to latent psora as described in Hahnemann's Chronic Diseases. In the past, repping just on them gave good but ineffectual remedies and this paper explains why.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>While researching I see Patty Smith, Rudi's wife, passed on:</div>
<div> </div>
<div><a href="http://www.homeopathy.com/college-info/304/patty-smith-verspoor-remembered">http://www.homeopathy.com/college-info/304/patty-smith-verspoor-remembered</a></div>
<div> </div>
<div>There's no reason to allow someone to wait to have diabetes or other illnesses especially if shown inherited and already developing. Diabetes is one disease that can be detected in many of those predisposed years before emergence. Though there is no way of knowing if early on miasmatic nosode intervention would prevent a genetically inherited illness from emerging regardless but might lessen it's devastating effects. </div>
<div> </div>
<div>Personally, as I've written before elsewhere, none of my previous "classical" homeopaths fully followed miasmatic prescribing, nor used LM potencies, thus my own 20 year homeopathic treatment missed the mark and now I'm trying to play catch-up and reverse/stop miasmatic progression and hopefully circumvent further organ damage. </div>
<div> </div>
<div> It is due to the divine intervention of Dr. Luc inspired classical homeopath Kari Kindem that put me on the right miasmatic track. I'm honored Kari has included me on her website!</div>
<div> </div>
<div><a href="http://homeopathyforwomen.org/testimonials.htm#Homeopath_Talks_About_Karis_Support_of_Her_Care">http://homeopathyforwomen.org/testimonials.htm#Homeopath_Talks_About_Karis_Support_of_Her_Care</a>_</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Best,</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Susan</div>
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From: Ellen Madono [email protected] [beyondhomeopathy] <[email protected]><br>
To: beyondhomeopathy <[email protected]><br>
Sent: Wed, May 21, 2014 6:40 pm<br>
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I thought he is like my son. </div>
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<div><b>Mind; anxiety; health, about</b>:<br>
<span class="gmw_"> <span class="gm_ gm_aff35671-ac71-66b3-9888-2b96c3cbc20f gm-spell">absin</span><span class="gmw_"> acet-ac ACON <span class="gm_ gm_0bd745f6-bf7f-9a1d-a9de-a01a0e129e58 gm-spell">adam</span><span class="gmw_"> <span class="gm_ gm_e84467c1-fc40-7585-fa14-f703ff059866 gm-spell">aeth</span><span class="gmw_"> AGAR AGN aloe alum alum-p alum-sil am-c AML-N <span class="gm_ gm_2cf2eaf3-e8fa-aba0-4a9d-4091b4282552 gm-spell">androc</span><span class="gmw_"> ant-t aran-ix ARG ARG-N arist-cl <span class="gm_ gm_b257e8f2-a422-8b5d-2181-849b3b52a7d1 gm-spell">arn</span> </span></span></span></span></span><b><i>ARS</i></b><span class="gmw_"> ars-h <span class="gm_ gm_904933e5-cfed-9da4-2f46-7837e7b07531 gm-spell">astac</span><span class="gmw_"> aur-m aur-m-n aur-s bar-c bell <span c
lass="gm_ gm_1d705d4a-7873-06d5-14d6-ab3bd9354049 gm-spell">blatta</span><span class="gmw_"> <span class="gm_ gm_1d796b28-9c6a-c448-830a-f1a351462e63 gm-spell">bor</span><span class="gmw_"> <span class="gm_ gm_e284be30-2b9d-004f-e489-f82e5e1cc71e gm-spell">bov</span><span class="gmw_"> <span class="gm_ gm_0707b87b-bf99-3065-18d8-0b7a422fe504 gm-spell">brom</span> BRY </span></span></span></span></span><b><i><span class="gm_ gm_f06f84e9-b591-1bd8-3548-9b614b890d49 gm-spell">bufo</span></i></b> CALAD <b><i>CALC</i></b> calc-ar calc-f CALC-P calc-s calc-sil calop-s cand-a cann-i <span class="gm_ gm_48141023-9ab8-2cf9-0b8b-81f225ee27c3 gm-spell">canth</span><span class="gmw_"> <span class="gm_ gm_eb3d2153-6bad-5c7b-d77b-92747612ce70 gm-spell">caras</span><span class="gmw_"> carb-v CARC <span
class="gm_ gm_d605d033-621c-c7d2-2e96-6edb022426a0 gm-spell">caust</span><span class="gmw_"> <span class="gm_ gm_ccc86442-e9ab-1600-9f3e-cbe80f8db201 gm-spell">chel</span> CHIN-AR choc </span></span></span><b><i>cinis-p</i></b> clad-r COCC cop corv-c cub culx-p <span class="gm_ gm_829c655f-7c9f-aeb4-fccf-534275cf9290 gm-spell">cupr</span> <b><i>cygn-c</i></b><span class="gmw_"> der <span class="gm_ gm_b9ea4f8f-21e8-4eb5-efe9-df4431cf9853 gm-spell">electr</span><span class="gmw_"> <span class="gm_ gm_7a12a306-7fae-8969-da9f-71eaa4a41101 gm-spell">epip</span><span class="gmw_"> <span class="gm_ gm_9802d8d8-d237-2aa7-1a47-1d91a4592eca gm-spell">euph</span> fic-sp </span></span></span><b><i>FL-AC</i></b> galeoc-c germ gink <span class="gm_ gm_5085659f-2709-2629-a8d1-4856019801e5 gm-spell">g
lon</span><span class="gmw_"> <span class="gm_ gm_3e181cda-49bc-2e41-e035-7f724a621907 gm-spell">grat</span><span class="gmw_"> haliae-lc HEP herp-s <span class="gm_ gm_19813752-9cba-c3d1-e3ef-422871e9fd20 gm-spell">hist</span><span class="gmw_"> <span class="gm_ gm_cff07e8f-a52b-f42e-b408-27cd3fea1462 gm-spell">hyos</span> IGN </span></span></span><b><i>KALI-AR</i></b> KALI-BR <b><i>kali-c</i></b> kali-m kali-p kali-sil <span class="gm_ gm_d2bd8d55-fdbf-d9e5-266a-9dd04df9eb80 gm-spell">kreos</span> lac-c lac-eq lac-lup <b><i>LACH</i></b> lamp-c <b><i>lat-h</i></b> LIL-T LOB LYC m-arct mag-m MED <span class="gm_ gm_f67dd2a5-41b1-58d5-ef72-028ccbe2a1d3 gm-spell">merc</span> meteo-a micro-a <span class="gm_ gm_e5f157c2-66a0-67ae-a144-d8861591f1d5 gm-spell">morg</span> <b><i>musc-d</i></b>
NAT-C nat-glt nat-m nat-p <b><i>NIT-AC</i></b> nux-m <b><i>NUX-V</i></b> onc-t oro-ac <span class="gm_ gm_ccbb334a-4ff1-07fd-9649-d494cf6b9b5a gm-spell">ozon</span><span class="gmw_"> <span class="gm_ gm_0b96cad9-b2fe-c60a-7515-e71263f2b670 gm-spell">parth</span><span class="gmw_"> <span class="gm_ gm_84eae608-8063-71fa-ff9a-8dbad48a1bbe gm-spell">perl</span> PH-AC </span></span><b><i>PHEL</i></b><span class="gmw_"> <span class="gm_ gm_cd2bc452-f520-4459-7689-e72ca58237c9 gm-spell">phlor</span><span class="gmw_"> PHOS <span class="gm_ gm_8ce2c387-9d9b-ae6f-e6bd-17f9ec674aaa gm-spell">plac</span><span class="gmw_"> plut-n <span class="gm_ gm_46e48130-00b8-9f41-bf63-9f88022b4a8f gm-spell">podo</span><span class="gmw_"> POSIT <span class="gm_ gm_147f42e7-4ca6-f7b7-8799-e0db49d86d52 gm-spell
">psor</span> </span></span></span></span><b><i>PULS</i></b><span class="gmw_"> <span class="gm_ gm_fba085f5-6854-9c09-26e2-7cb5ae7491f2 gm-spell">ruta</span><span class="gmw_"> <span class="gm_ gm_cb69e502-9120-0343-5b12-25400e6216e7 gm-spell">sabad</span> scut </span></span><b><i><span class="gm_ gm_f689e356-e16d-b8a1-6e19-aefce1ce56b4 gm-spell">sel</span></i></b><span class="gmw_"> SEP <span class="gm_ gm_ba4c5be2-a9b6-cab6-303f-694f28c7d168 gm-spell">sil</span><span class="gmw_"> sop-m spect <span class="gm_ gm_20b64b1e-1885-a9cd-e81e-bd23011ea69e gm-spell">spong</span> staph </span></span><b><i><span class="gm_ gm_20d305cb-c846-e977-6243-41e7d629b7e1 gm-spell">sulph</span></i></b><span class="gmw_"> SYPH <span class="gm_ gm_b9c91469-b84d-e58f-fe4b-ec4da380b213 gm-spell">tarent</span
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<span class="gmw_"> <span class="gm_ gm_358c2230-ba43-de64-3bef-023b5298aa35 gm-spell">acon</span><span class="gmw_"> <span class="gm_ gm_9a5bf25e-9c15-dc78-533f-71c6b080a2a9 gm-spell">acon</span>-l </span></span><b><i><span class="gmw_"><span class="gm_ gm_989a3e9a-1d7e-1103-06fb-ec8098869fa4 gm-spell">agath</span>-a</span></i></b><span class="gmw_"> <span class="gm_ gm_7adc5e93-ee3e-567c-4cec-b25423d134ea gm-spell">agn</span> </span><b><i><span class="gm_ gm_900c4b82-fcf9-451a-1681-dc45a05a04ae gm-spell">alco</span></i></b><span class="gmw_"> ALUM am-c <span class="gm_ gm_53576340-33d8-5bab-5ffa-6875fe685bfa gm-spell">aml</span>-n ang </span><span class="gm_ gm_8ceafbff-278e-40a4-20d2-6e3ffccda775 gm-spell">anh</span><span class="gmw_"> <span class="gm_ gm_d6f58894-ac43-fda2-b78a-1551dfa
3cd29 gm-spell">arbu</span><span class="gmw_">-m ARN <span class="gm_ gm_c674c3ff-aa52-5474-9153-b74a2a97b64c gm-spell">aur</span>-m-n bell </span></span><span class="gm_ gm_3a2837f6-c6a5-8215-7e9d-1ee2c22930dd gm-spell">berb</span><span class="gmw_"> <span class="gm_ gm_498b718e-d184-4ce6-257b-7dc1be4a81d4 gm-spell">biti</span>-a </span><span class="gm_ gm_7ddeb538-64b0-2913-89ab-9749d2ae9a99 gm-spell">bov</span><span class="gmw_"> <span class="gm_ gm_c1409591-51b4-dcf8-14e4-aecd144df7fa gm-spell">bufo</span><span class="gmw_"> <span class="gm_ gm_6dc0d4a7-489b-ca56-13fc-345d49702b05 gm-spell">calop</span>-s calx-b </span><span class="gm_ gm_b31f3620-a1d7-e7c3-0066-3cbcc4124109 gm-spell">camph</span><span class="gmw_"> CANN-I caps carb-<span class="gm_ gm_674a8573-1572-5a57-856a-6132554
f8128 gm-spell">ac</span> </span><span class="gm_ gm_02cb85f7-d4b9-5028-b951-d14f4db3a064 gm-spell">carc</span><span class="gmw_"> <span class="gm_ gm_0028087a-6a26-94e1-0444-869c4e06309e gm-spell">caust</span><span class="gmw_"> <span class="gm_ gm_db048894-c74e-b7ca-5319-1efbda5e1e1d gm-spell">cer</span><span class="gmw_"> <span class="gm_ gm_69f1eb88-ac7b-a815-2dc7-516e18b2bb06 gm-spell">cer</span><span class="gmw_">-c <span class="gm_ gm_4e7cecef-ced9-ddc4-7f22-b2775fc74738 gm-spell">cer-o</span><span class="gmw_"> CHAM <span class="gm_ gm_f8f0321a-1c71-688c-e199-45f9be71cd31 gm-spell">chlam</span>-t choc </span></span></span><span class="gm_ gm_439150c5-0d64-2c93-2c2a-60ebb36b7f2a gm-spell">cic</span><span class="gmw_"> <span class="gm_ gm_ad1582b8-c476-3e05-5255-891175b2d4ef gm-spe
ll">colch</span><span class="gmw_"> con <span class="gm_ gm_776f29a6-ab98-c3a6-2ff4-4752b1b954ac gm-spell">cortico</span><span class="gmw_"> CROC <span class="gm_ gm_f4aaedcf-f3c6-312a-025f-7c447b63a52d gm-spell">cupr</span><span class="gmw_"> <span class="gm_ gm_5265cc2f-1d42-f994-4894-c73d6d53c7ff gm-spell">cycl</span><span class="gmw_"> <span class="gm_ gm_183e6c17-8b56-a356-2b65-18fb26679b38 gm-spell">dys</span>-co </span><span class="gm_ gm_d4336f2a-3614-1f91-d1e5-ebe430d37b62 gm-spell">elaps</span><span class="gmw_"> <span class="gm_ gm_8c7dbbc0-16b8-da41-39dd-e6fc5092f3da gm-spell">euphr</span><span class="gmw_"> <span class="gm_ gm_046fe9b2-4dde-3254-10c4-fa099f0d9ee4 gm-spell">falco</span>-p GRAPH </span><span class="gm_ gm_497cee76-5fce-89be-741c-621178405c54 gm-spell">guai</sp
an><span class="gmw_"> <span class="gm_ gm_c55611cc-f237-e4d0-5e55-f842eea1f9e3 gm-spell">haliae</span>-lc HELL </span><span class="gm_ gm_924c7111-894a-f00f-d488-e06bad435ac9 gm-spell">herin</span><span class="gmw_"> holm holm-c holm-m holm-n holm-o <span class="gm_ gm_4203f940-6aa5-7f3e-0c8d-d86ea83b7dc4 gm-spell">hydrog</span><span class="gmw_"> HYOS hyper <span class="gm_ gm_3914d955-fb4f-8097-96d6-bc4d26d1b948 gm-spell">ictod</span><span class="gmw_"> <span class="gm_ gm_557d67df-a6c2-ab9d-3fec-1731ec8b985e gm-spell">interf</span><span class="gmw_"> <span class="gm_ gm_0d1bb7a5-30be-b6bf-e692-cc3340548651 gm-spell">irid</span><span class="gmw_"> <span class="gm_ gm_5e893491-1a6e-80c1-a920-21f0a54c5de2 gm-spell">kali</span>-c KREOS latex </span><span class="gm_ gm_ad1618f5-cdad-f5bf-
e91f-40db2a3c09e0 gm-spell">laur</span><span class="gmw_"> lava-f <span class="gm_ gm_988a7fd1-bc73-9732-c058-42b457d5adbb gm-spell">lsd</span> LYC </span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span><b><i><span class="gm_ gm_9857682f-725c-e25a-fa4e-c59fd53af1ca gm-spell">lyss</span></i></b><span class="gmw_"> mag-c <span class="gm_ gm_cf0d65c6-c28b-74c8-8f01-be5b2562b13d gm-spell">mang</span><span class="gmw_"><span class="gmw_"> MERC MEZ <span class="gm_ gm_62afede9-8fe6-00ac-d9da-3384cf0feea7 gm-spell">mobil</span><span class="gmw_">-<span class="gm_ gm_25885630-d519-e7d9-993f-596f9f6626a6 gm-spell">ph</span><span class="gmw_"> <span class="gm_ gm_82ab7b26-ebc1-1b0b-3546-279bb4460ac5 gm-spell">nat</span>-c NAT-M </span></span></span><span class="
gm_ gm_8404e482-5022-d754-27ed-5df4a184f3ac gm-spell">nelu</span> </span></span><b><i>NUX-M</i></b><span class="gmw_"> nux-v OENA OL-AN <span class="gm_ gm_ea11c5b6-f825-de67-efd2-f97f51de59bc gm-spell">olnd</span><span class="gmw_"> ONOS op <span class="gm_ gm_6ec2f28e-5e49-aa26-1763-9516182d1cd0 gm-spell">ozon</span><span class="gmw_"> <span class="gm_ gm_5dc11fda-dfbd-9908-e2f2-2112891a9459 gm-spell">ph</span><span class="gmw_">-<span class="gm_ gm_31ebf417-e384-2fbd-5e24-166ac3473d53 gm-spell">ac</span> PHOS plat </span></span><span class="gm_ gm_97f1ffe3-8e91-8d16-20d0-bec00cf44304 gm-spell">plb</span><span class="gmw_"> <span class="gm_ gm_aade6232-9a26-0be1-4787-28624d563903 gm-spell">plut</span><span class="gmw_">-n <span class="gm_ gm_616ae85b-17de-8c0e-7955-f9c87ae19791 gm-spel
l">psil</span><span class="gmw_">-<span class="gm_ gm_abe9e501-5e64-dbfd-36b2-6f08be751b53 gm-spell">c ran</span>-b </span></span></span><span class="gm_ gm_0827fdac-9a4d-6468-cf88-d9fbcad062a6 gm-spell">sabad</span><span class="gmw_"> <span class="gm_ gm_8f4620e5-b2c0-226a-bee0-4fa86fe97559 gm-spell">salx</span>-f sars sec </span><span class="gm_ gm_adc52a51-6692-317b-eb5a-76231a1860bf gm-spell">sil</span><span class="gmw_"> sile-c <span class="gm_ gm_95b92ed1-e4e4-4e18-c1c9-81e60aef7091 gm-spell">spong</span><span class="gmw_"> <span class="gm_ gm_531ad358-4638-d203-21d1-58219d44fb0c gm-spell">stann</span><span class="gmw_"> <span class="gm_ gm_1ffbc96b-0919-e60a-0a01-2d1cd3759888 gm-spell">stram</span><span class="gmw_"> sul-<span class="gm_ gm_179b18a3-5cb1-dc6e-41fc-d1e2256c787e gm-
spell">ac</span> SULPH </span><span class="gm_ gm_34680994-005c-e71f-bca8-461c1493edca gm-spell">thuj</span><span class="gmw_"> TUB verb <span class="gm_ gm_f0632872-7c43-b878-0c98-38dfc90918d1 gm-spell">vesp</span> VISC</span></span></span></span></span></span></div>
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<span class="gmw_"> <span class="gm_ gm_f5efbee7-1405-ddce-b34b-ca9e68ffbb59 gm-spell">anac</span><span class="gmw_"> <span class="gm_ gm_7bd452e9-749f-4222-80ac-a5f406256782 gm-spell">arg</span> ARS </span></span><b><i>bos-s</i></b> calc calc-i <b><i>calop-s</i></b><span class="gmw_"> carb-v <span class="gm_ gm_f632711f-ad4a-4172-11df-99af5b86bebd gm-spell">carc</span> carn-g cath-a cer-c chir-f culx-p </span><b><i>enal-c</i></b> ephe-v fic-m <b><i>fic-sp</i></b><span class="gmw_"> hema-h <span class="gm_ gm_3b3f6df1-a204-2928-1def-262d8e9cb531 gm-spell">herin</span><span class="gmw_"> hydr-ac kali-c lac-eq lamp-c lant-p <span class="gm_ gm_63820261-f8fe-7d69-6969-3dccb921d5b9 gm-spell">lsd</span> marm-a nitro nux-v </span></span><b><i><span class="gm_ gm_ee7b6847-c0ef-b5d9-b280-8ede79368
915 gm-spell">plac</span></i></b> <b><i>plut-n</i></b><span class="gmw_"> salx-f sep <span class="gm_ gm_11fb1055-0cad-238c-597a-f2408225a26c gm-spell">sulph</span><span class="gmw_"> tax tour-w ulm-c <span class="gm_ gm_14369384-0626-dc5e-4c38-22f9f4a9ada7 gm-spell">uran</span> </span></span><b><i>vani-p</i></b></div>
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<div><b><i>Using facial analysis and classical analysis, I got the Ars answer for my son. I doubt that I used the same rubrics as above. The above were selected with a bit more distance. The mess is because he is not focused on the concrete. Can't multitask. Wants the parents to even pretend that they were orderly (normal married couple). </i></b></div>
<div><b><i>Carc. comes before Ars because of alphabetical order. And it is a small remedy. So, I would consider it if Ars does not work. Both are brown according to HFA.</i></b></div>
<div><b><i>Ars. made a big difference for my son. He was having rage because others were not following his hyper-ordered (in the abstract) expectations. He was about to have a rage fit at the customs official. That's when I noticed. The official was making a decision that did not make "sense." </i></b><br>
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<div><b><i>My son is a math wiz. Words are not forthcoming. He comes from a long line of these types who get diabetes and cancer as they age.</i></b></div>
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<div> - What does this phrase mean? "<span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">inherited traits plus the matched remedy added ones.</span><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">" What are matched remedy added traits?</span></div>
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<div><span style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"> - I know you have explained this in the past, but for my imperfect memory and imperfect email storage, can you outline the purposes for which you use a patient's / client's ICT remedy? I recall that it's a sometimes crucial, supportive intercurrent during treating of severe illness. How else do you use them?</span></div>
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As to what ICT types I have seen, there are many and some are a lot more common than others. This variation in distribution makes it hard to get them all documented, it is a huge body of work.<br>
So I feel I have just started it, despite having spent so many years at it. It takes a lot of examples to fully confirm what is an ICT feature and what is not, and how each one is at a specific age.<br>
ALl this to say - it is early days and impossible yet to say how many types there are. SO far I can not rule out anything.<br>
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The commoner ones - with many individuals to reperesent the ICT - are like those that come up often here, Ars, Lyc, Phos, Puls, Sul, Calc, and some others.<br>
Some less common ones are Colch, Spong, Lach, Plat, Stram. <br>
In-between in incidence frequency are ones like Calc-phos, Ign, Nat-m, SIl, Sep.....<br>
I think I so far counted about thirty or so that I have spotted and lined up with a specific remedy.<br>
There are many more I am sure, now just sets of inherited traits that recur as I know from my prior genetics work but not yet linked with their specific remedy - or maybe a possible link but as yet unconfirmed by enough examples.<br>
It is just hard to find the links between the inherited trait sets, and the remedy that correlates to them. I counted actual relevant rubrics in synthesis for some of the known ones, and it is less than one per cent. So it is not much to go on to make the initial tenuous link to a remedy, before it can be confirmed using multiple examples in multiple species (difficult with more rare ICTs) and only then it can be combined into one set of data that includes the inherited traits plus the matched remedy added ones. <br>
I know it took me more than ten years to confidently document Plat for example, and when I did, I could then tell that I had missed one right under my nose for all that time:-) <br>
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Sometimes there is one very weird rubric that causes me to suspect a remedy association, and following up with hours of rubric study may clinch it, or may do the opposite. It helps that Synthesis has the rubrics list for each remedy - and that I have the patience to go through ten thousand or more rubrics of a remedy to seek the one percent of rubrics that might pertain to inherited traits :-) <br>
Once a match is made, it often gives the feeling of "why did I not see that before", as things start to stick me in the eye. But the initial connection can be hard to make.<br>
Still, there have to be a lot more to find and confirm. Enough for all the sets of genetic traits that go in discrete groups. SO - bottom line I do not really know how many there are. Yet.<br>
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It is all very logical however. It makes perfect sense that we have very few of certain types of personality - after all, the world turns based on a proper balance of people with different interests. We need entertainers, inventors, artists, dictators (eg to manage mass crisis situations and restore order over panic), health care folk, builders, designers, folk in a myriad of activity areas, and so on. There is so much logic to how it all works together. If you ever lived with a Lach, you'd know why that type is rare, two of them in one place would be a bit much.....One queen/king requiring curtseys and assuming regal-style orders will be unquestioned, is enough in one environment - there needs to be a good ratio of generals and troops - or as Lach might see it, - queens and plebs. <br>
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P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.<br>
<a href="http://www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html" target="_blank">www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html</a> (Veterinary Homeopath.)<br>
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