Re: Why did location/identity separation not happen? (Was: Internet without entrenched factions?)
John Levine via Internet-history <[email protected]> 21 May 2026 13:35:29 -0400
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It appears that Dave Crocker via Internet-history <[email protected]> said: >> That choice helps, but does not guarantee, uniqueness, but also >> results in some pragmatic problems - such as the difficulty of moving >> your mailbox from one ISP, corporation, or organization to another. >> Humans still try to contact me using email addresses from decades >> ago. There is no "email portability" scheme analogous to the >> telephone system's number portability. > >Well, sort of, yes there is. There are services supporting an email >address that is independent of the ISP mailbox you use. They are, of >course, just aliasing services. Besides some commercial example, >alumni email address mechanisms do this. The telco equivalent would be call forwarding which is a real thing but not the same. Number portability tried a variety of approaches as described in RFC 3482 and ended up adding a level of indirection into the call setup process. It also changed the meaning of phone numbers. They used to be like IP addresses, with the leading digits identifying a switch, and the trailing digits the number on that switch. Now they're more like email addresses. At call time the calling system or a nearby tandem looks up the called number, now called the directory number (DN) and finds a location routing number (LRN) to identify the switch. If the number hasn't been ported it'll be the same number, while if it has been ported it'll be a number assigned to the switch. Then it routes the call as it used to but using LRN to find the switch, and the switch uses the DN to identify the subscriber. This worked for phone numbers because telcos are regulated so the regulators could order the telcos to do it. Also, phone numbers have a fixed simple format, a sequence of digits between N and M length, so it's straightforward if expensive to build the forwarding database. Neither is true for e-mail*, so forwarding is the best we're going to get. Even within telephony there's limits to portability. North America is unusual in that there is a single unified number space for fixed and mobile, so you can port between the two. In most countries, fixed and mobile numbers are in separate number spaces so you can port from one mobile carrier to another, but not between fixed and mobile. North America has geographic rate centers, and currently you can only port between carriers in the same rate center. The large mobile carriers are present nearly everywhere so that doesn't matter for them, but there's ongoing arguments about if and how to provide nationwide portability for landline and small mobile carriers. R's, John * - if you want to forward [email protected], do you also forward [email protected], and [email protected]? Or maybe example.com and example.net have the same set of mailboxes so you'd forward both. Only the target system knows. -- Internet-history mailing list [email protected] https://elists.isoc.org/mailman/listinfo/internet-history - Unsubscribe: https://app.smartsheet.com/b/form/9b6ef0621638436ab0a9b23cb0668b0b?The%20list%20to%20be%20unsubscribed%20from=Internet-history