Re: capacity v bandwidth

fascinating!

Agenda top of page two's problem list "Architecture".

So much for the no architecture meme?

I am also interested to see Rob Cole's name under the UCL
site. 

Such a great survival! 

C


Vint Cerf via Internet-history <[email protected]> writes:

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>
> On Tue, Jun 2, 2026 at 1:39 PM Jack Haverty via Internet-history <
> [email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Not quite what I remember.
>>
>> The ICCB was the Internet Configuration Control Board.  Bob Kahn called
>> it "Vint's Cabinet".   The name was chosen explicitly to make it sound
>> bureaucratic and boring.   Otherwise everyone would have wanted to be on
>> it, and a big problem at the time (late 1970s) was the size of the
>> various "internet meetings".  Dave Clark was a member of the ICCB, but
>> Vint was clearly the Chair.  I don't recall a single meeting not run by
>> Vint.
>>
> but officially Dave was the chair even if I ran the meeting. I had always
> intended to hand off to him, as I finally did in late 1982.
> Dave (among many others) was an extraordinarily clear thinker about the
> architecture and protocols of the Internet. Not better proof of that is his
> book "How to Design an Internet."
>
>
>>
>> The ICB was the International Collaboration Board (or something like
>> that).  There was overlap (e.g., Vint) in the ICB and ICCB memberships.
>> The ICCB focussed on planning and execution of the steps needed to
>> target a "January 1983" Internet capable of handling "heavy load".   The
>> ICB focussed on issues specific to trans-national connectivity, e.g.,
>> between the US and Europe, and had members such as John Laws (RSRE),
>> Horst Klaussen (DFVLR), Peter Kirstein (UCL), and Paal Spilling (NDRE).
>> May have been others too.  Someone from CNUCE (Italy) was probably
>> involved but I never met him or her.
>>
> Yes that's correct about ICB. Bob Kahn sert that up and I believe Peter K
> chaired.
>
>>
>> The earliest ICCB meeting I can find so far in my notes was on September
>> 21, 1981.  I think it may have been the first meeting of the ICCB, based
>> on what's in the notes I took.  I recall at some point around then
>> getting an email from Vint asking if I could come a day early to the
>> next Internet Meeting, which turned out to be the first meeting of the
>> new ICCB.  I'm not sure, but think it was that September 1981 meeting.
>>   My notes don't have an attendee list, but IIRC the ICCB meetings
>> included Jim Mathis, Dave Clark, Jon Postel, Dave Mills, Bob Braden, Ed
>> Cain, Ray McFarland, myself (Jack Haverty), and of course Vint.
>>
>> Meetings of the ICCB were usually held the day before a scheduled
>> Internet Meeting.  We were typically considering what had to happen
>> near-term for a January 1983 target of an Internet capable of handling
>> "heavy load", as well as long-term issues that needed more research.
>> The 1983 target was clearly associated with the intent to replace NCP on
>> the ARPANET with TCP, and the adoption of TCP as a DoD Standard.
>>
>> It was less than two years away -- not a lot of time to get everything
>> in place.   There was a clear conflict between "Research" and
>> "Operations".  Research seeks to study and try new ideas; Operations
>> seeks to get something in place and working as a service.  The Internet
>> needed to do both.
>>
>> After an ICCB meeting we all returned to our regular activities and did
>> whatever we could to get the near-term actions to happen and the
>> long-term issues to get as much attention as possible.  The
>> prioritization helped also for Vint to control the Internet Meeting
>> which immediately followed.   "Herding Cats" comes to mind....
>>
>> I was on the ICCB until Vint's departure from ARPA and Barry Leiner
>> reorganized the ICCB to become the IAB.   There had been a major
>> re-organization at BBN in July 1983 and I was no longer to be involved
>> in the "research" contracts.
>>
>> I can't remember if this list accepts attachments -- so I've put my
>> notes from that 1981 ICCB meeting online for History's sake.  The last
>> page starts my notes for the Internet Meeting of 9/22, but JonP's
>> minutes are much better.
>>
>> Here's a link for anyone who's interested:
>>
>>
>> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1sxKhB-11jkVaVNCPVGwit3PTQDdta-Qr/view?usp=sharing
>
>
> AMAZING!!!
>
>>
>>
>> /Jack Haverty
>>
>> On 6/2/26 08:53, D Waitzman via Internet-history wrote:
>> > Regarding the history subtopic:
>> >
>> > https://www.iab.org/about/history/
>> > has:
>> >> The origin of today’s IAB lies in the Internet Configuration Control
>> Board (ICCB), which was created in 1979 by Vint Cerf, at that time program
>> manager at DARPA, to advise him on technical issues. The ICCB was chaired
>> by David Clark, MIT.
>> >>
>> >> In September 1984, after the ICCB meeting held at RSRE in Malvern, UK,
>> the ICCB was disbanded and replaced by the Internet Advisory Board (IAB).
>> This change was initiated by Dave Clark and Barry Leiner, who had taken
>> over management of the Internet research program at DARPA. The IAB
>> consisted of the chairs of the newly-formed research task forces and Jon
>> Postel (ISI), as RFC editor and “protocol czar”. The first set of chairs of
>> the task forces were the members of the ICCB. The IAB was chaired by Dave
>> Clark.
>> >
>> > I thought it was called the ICB, not ICCB.  I attended a meeting in The
>> Hague at NATO's STC around 1991.  MAJ (or COL by then?) Pullen was funding
>> us.
>> >
>> > Noel Chiappa wrote:
>> >> There's a reason that, for professional historians, contemporaneous
>> written records are the 'gold standard'. All other sources - especially
>> human memory - are very inferior.
>> >
>> > Circa 1989 on a Friday afternoon, Steve Storch asked me to fly to
>> California for a Monday ICB or IETF Host Requirements meeting to take notes.
>> > Fortunately, BBN had a capable onsite travel agent in our building (10
>> Moulton) who quickly booked me tickets (pre-web this was a big deal).
>> > I emailed out the next on Tuesday to Bob Braden, who emailed them out to
>> the team with a subject line like "Shazam!" since the notes usually took
>> longer to be written up and distributed.
>> > (I was amused by the cost of a note taker for that contract.)
>> >
>> > Those certainly meet Noel's gold standard, but I cannot find that email.
>> >
>> > --
>> > David Waitzman
>> >
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