Re: The Panchatantra
Robin Whittleton <[email protected]> Tue, 22 May 2018 20:24:21 +0200
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--===============7911532371063520874== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_49D68599-D330-49A4-AAD1-7FDD2C30B7C6" --Apple-Mail=_49D68599-D330-49A4-AAD1-7FDD2C30B7C6 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Thanks, but I was planning to produce this for Standard Ebooks ( = https://standardebooks.org/ <https://standardebooks.org/> ) which is a = US project and as such requires US-PD confirmation. I=E2=80=99ll happily = read the Wikisource transcript for myself :) > On 22 May 2018, at 18:31, Gardner Buchanan <gbuchana-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/[email protected]> = wrote: >=20 >=20 > Arthur William Ryder (March 8, 1877 =E2=80=93 March 21, 1938) has been = dead for 80 years. His works, such > as translations, would be PD in Life+70 and Life+50 locales. Try = PG-Australia, PG-Canada, PG-Europe. >=20 >=20 > On 22-May-2018 12:06, Robin Whittleton wrote: >> Thanks for the help, but it looks like it=E2=80=99s not going to = happen. I=E2=80=99ve been doing a bit more digging and found this: = http://onlinebooks.library.upenn.edu/renewals.html = <http://onlinebooks.library.upenn.edu/renewals.html> . That suggested = that if there=E2=80=99s an edition published more than 28 years after = the original (which would in this case be 1953) with a renewal notice = it=E2=80=99s game over. Looking on archive.org <http://archive.org/> I = found the 9th edition with a copyright of 1956 from the family: = https://archive.org/stream/in.gov.ignca.2332/2332#page/n6/mode/1up = <https://archive.org/stream/in.gov.ignca.2332/2332#page/n6/mode/1up> . I = guess that means they renewed it, or even if it doesn=E2=80=99t it makes = it unfeasible for GB without a lot more digging. >>=20 >> Thanks again though! >>=20 >>> On 22 May 2018, at 16:14, [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> = wrote: >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> If I can find a scanned source for the same, I will be happy to look = into it. Renewals can be hard, though. >>>=20 >>> Jeroen. >>>=20 >>> Quoting Robin Whittleton <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>: >>>=20 >>>> The Panchatantra is (to quote Wikipedia) "an ancient Indian work of = political philosophy, in the form of a collection of interrelated animal = fables=E2=80=9D. There=E2=80=99s nothing on Gutenberg but I did find = this good quality transcription on Wikisource: = https://en.m.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Panchatantra_(Purnabhadra%27s_Recensi= on_of_1199_CE) = <https://en.m.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Panchatantra_%28Purnabhadra%27s_Rece= nsion_of_1199_CE%29> (see also archive.org <http://archive.org/> scans: = https://archive.org/details/Panchatantra_Arthur_W_Ryder = <https://archive.org/details/Panchatantra_Arthur_W_Ryder> ). While this = translation was published in the US in 1925 the wikisource link claims = no copyright was renewed on the text. Sure enough, a quick search on the = Stanford copyright renewal database doesn=E2=80=99t throw anything up. >>>>=20 >>>> Is this something Gutenberg would consider adding? If I wanted to = verify lapse of copyright is there a more formal process I could = undertake? >>>>=20 >>>> Thanks! >>>> -Robin >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> _______________________________________________ >>> gutvol-d mailing list >>> gutvol-d-4LCm/o+qPMZ96Xl/[email protected] <mailto:gutvol-d-4LCm/o+qPMZ96Xl/[email protected]> >>> http://lists.pglaf.org/mailman/listinfo/gutvol-d = <http://lists.pglaf.org/mailman/listinfo/gutvol-d> >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> gutvol-d mailing list >> gutvol-d-4LCm/o+qPMZ96Xl/[email protected] <mailto:gutvol-d-4LCm/o+qPMZ96Xl/[email protected]> >> http://lists.pglaf.org/mailman/listinfo/gutvol-d = <http://lists.pglaf.org/mailman/listinfo/gutvol-d> >=20 > --=20 > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D > Gardner Buchanan <gbuchana-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/[email protected]> = <mailto:gbuchana-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/[email protected]> > Ottawa, ON FreeBSD: Where you want to go. Today. > _______________________________________________ > gutvol-d mailing list > gutvol-d-4LCm/o+qPMZ96Xl/[email protected] > http://lists.pglaf.org/mailman/listinfo/gutvol-d --Apple-Mail=_49D68599-D330-49A4-AAD1-7FDD2C30B7C6 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 <html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; = charset=3Dutf-8"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; = -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" = class=3D"">Thanks, but I was planning to produce this for Standard = Ebooks ( <a href=3D"https://standardebooks.org/" = class=3D"">https://standardebooks.org/</a> ) which is a US project = and as such requires US-PD confirmation. I=E2=80=99ll happily read the = Wikisource transcript for myself :)<br class=3D""><div><br = class=3D""><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div class=3D"">On 22 = May 2018, at 18:31, Gardner Buchanan <<a = href=3D"mailto:gbuchana-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/[email protected]" = class=3D"">gbuchana-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/[email protected]</a>> wrote:</div><br = class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""> =20 <meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; = charset=3Dutf-8" class=3D""> =20 <div text=3D"#000000" bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF" class=3D""> <div class=3D"moz-cite-prefix"><br class=3D""> Arthur William Ryder (March 8, 1877 =E2=80=93 March 21, 1938) has = been dead for 80 years. His works, such<br class=3D""> as translations, would be PD in Life+70 and Life+50 locales. = Try PG-Australia, PG-Canada, PG-Europe.<br class=3D""> <br class=3D""> <br class=3D""> On 22-May-2018 12:06, Robin Whittleton wrote:<br class=3D""> </div> <blockquote type=3D"cite" = cite=3D"mid:80E61F7D-6F30-4DC0-AEA4-61A446A43B89-GbEJgTv79bdeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org" class=3D""> <meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html; = charset=3Dutf-8" class=3D""> Thanks for the help, but it looks like it=E2=80=99s not going to = happen. I=E2=80=99ve been doing a bit more digging and found this: <a = href=3D"http://onlinebooks.library.upenn.edu/renewals.html" class=3D"" = moz-do-not-send=3D"true">http://onlinebooks.library.upenn.edu/renewals.htm= l</a> . That suggested that if there=E2=80=99s an edition published more = than 28 years after the original (which would in this case be 1953) with a renewal notice it=E2=80=99s game over. Looking on <a = href=3D"http://archive.org/" class=3D"" = moz-do-not-send=3D"true">archive.org</a> I found the 9th edition with a copyright of 1956 from the = family: <a = href=3D"https://archive.org/stream/in.gov.ignca.2332/2332#page/n6/mode/1up= " class=3D"" = moz-do-not-send=3D"true">https://archive.org/stream/in.gov.ignca.2332/2332= #page/n6/mode/1up</a> . I guess that means they renewed it, or even if it doesn=E2=80=99t = it makes it unfeasible for GB without a lot more digging. <div class=3D""><br class=3D""> </div> <div class=3D"">Thanks again though!<br class=3D""> <div class=3D""> <div class=3D""> <div class=3D""> <div class=3D""> <div class=3D""><br class=3D""> <blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""> <div class=3D"">On 22 May 2018, at 16:14, <a = href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" class=3D"" = moz-do-not-send=3D"true">[email protected]</a> wrote:</div> <br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"> <div class=3D""> <div class=3D""><br class=3D""> If I can find a scanned source for the same, I will be happy to look into it. Renewals can be hard, though.<br class=3D""> <br class=3D""> Jeroen.<br class=3D""> <br class=3D""> Quoting Robin Whittleton <<a = href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" class=3D"" = moz-do-not-send=3D"true">[email protected]</a>>:<br class=3D""> <br class=3D""> <blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D"">The Panchatantra is (to quote Wikipedia) "an ancient Indian work of political philosophy, in the form of a collection of interrelated animal fables=E2=80=9D. There=E2=80=99s = nothing on Gutenberg but I did find this good quality transcription on Wikisource: <a = href=3D"https://en.m.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Panchatantra_%28Purnabhadra%2= 7s_Recension_of_1199_CE%29" class=3D"" = moz-do-not-send=3D"true">https://en.m.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Panchatantra= _(Purnabhadra%27s_Recension_of_1199_CE)</a> (see also <a href=3D"http://archive.org/" = class=3D"" moz-do-not-send=3D"true">archive.org</a> scans: <a = href=3D"https://archive.org/details/Panchatantra_Arthur_W_Ryder" = class=3D"" = moz-do-not-send=3D"true">https://archive.org/details/Panchatantra_Arthur_W= _Ryder</a> ). While this translation was published in the US in 1925 the wikisource link claims no copyright was renewed on the text. Sure enough, a quick search on the Stanford copyright renewal database doesn=E2=80=99t = throw anything up.<br class=3D""> <br class=3D""> Is this something Gutenberg would consider adding? If I wanted to verify lapse of copyright is there a more formal process I could undertake?<br class=3D""> <br class=3D""> Thanks!<br class=3D""> -Robin<br class=3D""> </blockquote> <br class=3D""> <br class=3D""> <br class=3D""> = _______________________________________________<br class=3D""> gutvol-d mailing list<br class=3D""> <a href=3D"mailto:gutvol-d-4LCm/o+qPMZ96Xl/[email protected]" = class=3D"" moz-do-not-send=3D"true">gutvol-d-4LCm/o+qPMZ96Xl/[email protected]</a><br = class=3D""> <a class=3D"moz-txt-link-freetext" = href=3D"http://lists.pglaf.org/mailman/listinfo/gutvol-d">http://lists.pgl= af.org/mailman/listinfo/gutvol-d</a><br class=3D""> </div> </div> </blockquote> </div> <br class=3D""> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> <br class=3D""> <fieldset class=3D"mimeAttachmentHeader"></fieldset> <br class=3D""> <pre wrap=3D"" = class=3D"">_______________________________________________ gutvol-d mailing list <a class=3D"moz-txt-link-abbreviated" = href=3D"mailto:gutvol-d-4LCm/o+qPMZ96Xl/[email protected]">gutvol-d-4LCm/o+qPMZ96Xl/[email protected]</a> <a class=3D"moz-txt-link-freetext" = href=3D"http://lists.pglaf.org/mailman/listinfo/gutvol-d">http://lists.pgl= af.org/mailman/listinfo/gutvol-d</a> </pre> </blockquote><p class=3D""><br class=3D""> </p> <pre class=3D"moz-signature" cols=3D"72">--=20 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Gardner Buchanan <a class=3D"moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" = href=3D"mailto:gbuchana-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/[email protected]"><gbuchana-R6A+fiHC8nRWk0Htik3J/[email protected]></a> Ottawa, ON FreeBSD: Where you want to go. 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