Re: Re: What kind of pirate am I?

In the case of an e-book with DRM making a copy involves defeating encryption and it is against the law.  I never said it wasn't illegal.  I said it wasn't stealing.  Running a red light is against the law but it isn't stealing.  Neither is making a copy of an encrypted book.

I'm trying not to continue this overly emotional discussion but you guys keep twisting what I said and it's hard not to try to set it straight.

What I'm not doing is trying to offend anyone.  That isn't the way I participate in forums.  I'm trying, or I was trying to make the terminology in the discussion a little more precise.  Obviously I'm not succeeding.

Barry


--- On Wed, 10/13/10, Brenna Lyons <[email protected]> wrote:

> From: Brenna Lyons <[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: [ebook-community] Re: What kind of pirate am I?
> To: [email protected]
> Date: Wednesday, October 13, 2010, 9:41 AM
> On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 8:21 AM,
> Barry <barryem-/[email protected]>
> wrote:
> 
> >
> >
> > If I buy a book in one electronic format and buy a new
> device and figure
> > out how to convert the book I paid for to another
> format you call it
> > stealing. I don't call it stealing.  In this case
> the law would agree with
> > me.  While the law might have things to say about
> what I did the law would
> > not call it stealing.
> >
> >
> Now you're being ridiculous and just trying to offend
> people. Of course,
> that's not stealing. It's one of the benefits of ebooks,
> and the US courts
> support it. I wouldn't argue it. But ebooks are a special
> case, in many
> ways, and making backups of things for your own use is not
> inherently
> against the law. While taking that copy and spreading it
> around, with or
> without people paying you for it, is against the law.
> 
> In the same way, I would argue that it's your right to
> create an ebook copy
> of a paper book you own. I would be an idiot to try and
> stop it, and I view
> that as a backup copy of what you already own.
> 
> Where you run afoul of the law is when you make an ebook
> copy of a book you
> DON'T own. Copying an entire print book from the library is
> against
> copyright...illegal copies if you're copying more than a
> small amount of it,
> and some librarians or Kinkos workers will stop you from
> doing it. All the
> more the problem if you decide to sell it or pass it
> around. Owning a copy
> of the hard bound doesn't mean you can take someone else's
> mass market copy
> of it. If that person wants to sell or give it to you used,
> that's fine.
> First sale doctrine applies to legally produced paper
> books. Infringing
> paper books are a different issue and a comparable one.
> 
> Brenna
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