Re: Re: Copyright Expiration ?

"Even so, I do not
feel that my frustration is reason for risking a whole industry. That
does not mean there might not be useful changes; which is why I
expressed interest in what you were saying. Do you want to expand either
on the books involved in your own problem, or on the way your idea might
work, or both?"

Not being smarter than all the bright minds who have already thought about
this, I really don't know what would be best. I think the last time I ran
into the problem was a few years ago when I wanted to teach part of Jim
Quinn's _Tongue and Cheek: A populist guide to our language_ to a graduate
linguistics class. Quinn had retained his own copyright and our bookstore
couldn't find him anywhere. I just assigned something else, so the world
didn't end, and it wouldn't be worth risking an industry over. But it did
seem a shame to have to deny him readers.

That's why I was intrigued by what Dave wrote about including availability
as a consideration. I wonder if anything like that has been
proposed/discarded by policymakers? Or if it is just too unworkable to
consider?

Beth


On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 12:06 PM, joseph h <joe9438-/[email protected]> wrote:

>
>
> On 03/08/2012 3:19 PM, Beth Young wrote:
> >
> > "But what worries me most is an assumption, following very intense
> > campaigning by Google, that there is some "orphan" problem. "
> >
> > Well, in my job (university teaching), orphan works have been a problem.
> > When a copyright holder can't be located, I can't assign the work to my
> > students because I can't be sure they can obtain it. They can't buy it, I
> > can't include it in a coursepack, etc. I could put a single copy on
> > reserve
> > in the campus library, but these days, many courses are offered online
> and
> > the students live too far away to go there.
> >
> > Perhaps what is a problem for educators is a boon for others--perhaps the
> > benefits outweigh the drawbacks overall--but that doesn't make it less
> > of a
> > problem for educators.
> >
> > Beth
> >
>
> Ah, Beth, right. Now I understand where you are looking at this from.  I
> do know that views on copyright and publishing are different in the
> educational community generally for two reasons. One is the one you
> state, availability of specific works for courses. The other is that -
> broadly speaking - academics are more interested in disseminating their
> works where it will improve career prospects (in particular) than in any
> commercial aspects.
>
> Dissemination is covered without affecting overall copyright, both by
> free licence and by Creative Commons.
>
> But the other is a problem. and it is made more complex by the wide
> variations in copyright laws, both within America over the past  80 or
> so years, and variations between American and international laws for the
> similar period.
>
> Without having an idea of the field or specific works you are concerned
> with I can't comment on your own problem.  But I am surprised that there
> would be many scientific works that are difficult to link up. In the
> literary field, for some areas, it can be a problem because there is
> just so much stuff, and so many publishers have disappeared or been
> swallowed up. None of that is helped either by the fact that ISBNs are
> not all that old!
>
> And I have had he experience myself, so I am aware of how annoying it
> is. That was about finding a copy of the book at all! Even so, I do not
> feel that my frustration is reason for risking a whole industry. That
> does not mean there might not be useful changes; which is why I
> expressed interest in what you were saying. Do you want to expand either
> on the books involved in your own problem, or on the way your idea might
> work, or both?
>
> Joseph Harris
>
>
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