re re Reagan-Bushspeak

Doug:
> I could care less who people support politically, it's a free country,
> but it's worth putting in the proper perspective the claims of
> somebody who would have us believe he approaches issues objectively
> and without partisan bias in this forum.

But this is exactly what Jbor did. An unwillingness to reflexively 
condemn should NOT be taken as a sign of compliance. I'd bet big 
shecklels that Jbor's position is not only genuine, but also that he 
takes it, not in simple opposition to you, but because he is 
"solution" oriented, and that, regardless of Scrubby's numerous 
flaws, that his ideas should be criticized on their merits....As such, 
he does  more to foster debate over those issues than those who 
dismiss all "solutions" offered by this adminstration because they 
cannot possibly be presented in "good faith".........  


 jbor consistentely defends
> Bush and his policies and consistently attacks anybody that criticizes
> Bush and his policies, his right of course but hardly an objective
> stance.

No, I think Jbor's purpose, and I really should refrain from speaking 
for him - is to try to examine the underlying matter. Though I too 
share a good deal of your skepticism, it is indeed a useful 
exercise. I don't believe that I qualify as a reactionary just because 
I spend time reading "their" media - to the extent that "they" too 
seek "solutions", I want to be informed, even if I am not persuaded -
furthermore I am a firm believer in subjecting your faith to stern 
challenges.....

> And you're right, the Bushboys are bad guys, from a line of same, and
> it's easy to understand why Pynchon takes the time and makes the
> effort to name them in his take on,  to use a borrowed phrase,
> "fascist aesthetics."

True, but as you and I have debated in the past, I don't see 
Pynchon establishing "absolute evil", but rather another "agent" in 
the dynamic of "history".......(love them q marks - the inexact 
thinkers best friend).....
> 
> "Brock [...] leaning darkly in above her like any of the
> sleek raptors that decorate fascist architecture." (Vineland, p. 287)
>

Why do I flash to Speer's Nuremberg, rather than the Bushes here?

love,
cfa