more on ICANN ordered by Illinois court to suspend spamhaus.org
David Farber <[email protected]>
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Begin forwarded message: From: Jonathan Ezor <[email protected]> Date: October 11, 2006 12:58:38 PM EDT To: Dave Crocker <[email protected]> Cc: David Farber <[email protected]> Subject: RE: [IP] more on ICANN ordered by Illinois court to suspend spamhaus.org Dave (and the other distinguished signatories) and Dave F. (our IP host), I am not pleased with having my client's name mentioned in the context of this discussion, and I would hope that it does not go out over the IP list. I did not mention the client, nor was its name and background (or alleged activity, which was mischaracterized) relevant to the overall discussion, nor do you have all the facts that I have (and cannot share due to my obligations to my client). Setting that aside, I appreciate the chance to discuss and even debate these issues with those of you who are on the front lines of the fight against spam. We may continue to disagree on Spamhaus' particular approach (and in my mind, a faq answer saying that Spamhaus will "pay little attention" to my request for review of a client's status on a block list is caustic, as were the communications I received, but that's a personal opinion), or the objectivity of its standards, or the facts of the e360 case (about which I know only what is in the public record from both sides). My article is not about Spamhaus or the e360 situation; it examines the reality of spam filters, the possibility of wrongful inclusion of a company within one, and what remedies under U.S. law a true non-spammer might have if it is unable to get redress from the filter vendor any other way. It looks at the already-litigated cases, examines the arguments (which primarily focus on 47 USC 230 and its safe harbor, which probably wouldn't apply to a self-generated list like those of Spamhaus), and considers some other legal theories and how they might be evaluated. I've said it before, and I'll say it here: I completely oppose unsolicited bulk commercial e-mail, and not just that defined by the (rather weak) CAN-SPAM Act. I said so in my book "Clicking Through" six years ago, I have so advised every client who's asked me about it, and I've gone on record about it. Spamming is just a bad idea, and leads to trouble. I use multiple levels of block lists and filters daily (and in fact, my employer, Touro Law Center, utilizes Spamhaus as it turns out for at least some of its spam fighting, so I benefit from its efforts myself), and have spoken in detail with sysadmins about the battle, its costs, and the impact on infrastructure and users alike. At the same time, though, when any organization or vendor takes on the job of defining spam and establishing filters for multiple millions of users, I believe it has an ethical obligation to be responsible, professional, objective, diligent, and take reports of its errors seriously. It's true of Symantec; it's true of Microsoft; it's true of Spamhaus. Yes, spammers will tie up the courts and hire lawyers to make threats, but consider that legitimately blocked non-spammers may have to use the same courts and lawyers to get assistance when a block list vendor refuses to make changes. If any of you is ever in the Long Island, NY area and would like to speak to my students about the real world issues relating to spam, just give the word and I'll make it happen. Thanks. {Jonathan} ------------------- Prof. Jonathan I. Ezor Assistant Professor of Law and Technology Director, Institute for Business, Law and Technology (IBLT) Touro Law Center 300 Nassau Road, Huntington, NY 11743 Tel: 631-421-2244 x412 Fax: 516-977-3001 e-mail: [email protected] -----Original Message----- From: Dave Crocker [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 11:57 AM To: David Farber; [email protected] Cc: Jonathan Ezor Subject: Re: [IP] more on ICANN ordered by Illinois court to suspend spamhaus.org Importance: High