[CAnet - news] Building a zero carbon Internet

"Bill St. Arnaud" <[email protected]> Mon, 9 Mar 2009 15:14:45 -0400
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For more information on this item please visit my blog at 

http://green-broadband.blogspot.com/ or http://billstarnaud.blogspot.com

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[Most people still don't appreciate the sacrifices that are going to have to
be made in order to achieve CO2 reductions in line with Kyoto agreement or
upcoming Copenhagen agreement as documented in a recent MIT study that
public attitudes about climate change reveal a contradiction: " Surveys show
most Americans believe climate change poses serious risks but also that
reductions in greenhouse gas (GHG) emissions sufficient to stabilize
atmospheric GHG concentrations or net radiative forcing can be deferred
until there is greater evidence that climate change is harmful. US
policymakers likewise argue it is prudent to wait and see whether climate
change will cause substantial economic harm before undertaking policies to
reduce emissions. Such wait-and-see policies erroneously presume climate
change can be reversed quickly should harm become evident, underestimating
substantial delays in the climate's response to anthropogenic forcing."

http://climateprogress.org/2008/02/01/mit-study-sterman-stabilizing-carbon-d
ioxide-concentrations-not-emissions/

Overall we need 80% reduction in GHG emissions in the coming years in order
to simply stabilize the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere. We have not yet
begun to experience the severe climatic disruption that will occur with the
existing CO2 in the atmosphere, never mind the additional GHG gasses that
will be emitted in the coming years. Every sector of society is going to be
affected, including the Internet and ICT industry even though their
collective contribution to global GHG emissions is relatively minor at 2-3%
(but projected to double about every 4 to 6 years)

Improvements in energy efficiency, or PUE ratios at data centers are simply
not going to be enough, especially when you consider the overall growth in
the Internet and ICT in general. The overall absolute value of GHG emissions
from the Internet and ICT is bound to increase despite all our best efforts
in energy efficiency. Hence, as much as possible we need to strive for a
zero carbon policy. It will not be easy to move towards zero carbon in some
sectors of society like transportation, that is why other sectors must make
an additional effort to move to zero carbon in order to achieve an overall
target of 80% reduction. (Nothing is truly zero carbon - we use the term
zero carbon when CO2 emissions are insignificantly small from the energy
production itself)

CANARIE in partnership with ITAC recently held a workshop on this subject on
the many technical and business challenges of building a zero carbon
Internet. CANARE intends to fund a pilot demonstrating the technical and
business advantages of building a zero carbon Internet. Many of the
presentations at the workshop are now available at:

http://www.slideshare.net/event/canarieitac-green-it-workshop

One of the challenges building a zero carbon Internet is finding renewable
sources of energy to power data centers, routing nodes, carrier hotels etc.
One option is to purchase renewable power from the local utility.  But this
is fraught with various issues in that purchasing renewable energy credits
(RECs) does not eliminate the need for dirty coal plants and it does not
protect the customer from significant jumps in the price of power as cap and
trade comes on line. Even if the customer is purchasing RECs, renewable
power delivered over the grid will increase in cost versus dirty power, as
there will be significant demand for such power when cap and trade
significantly pushes up the price of dirty power.

The "megawatt mindset" of most utilities also remains a major challenge to
building a zero carbon Internet.  Fortunately there are now companies that
building windmills and run of the rivers turbines specifically for the
Internet and ICT industry that will work independent of the electrical grid,
even in urban settings.   Windmills designed for the utility industry tend
to be monstrous devices in order to get economies of scale and cause all
sorts of nimby responses.  But most data centers and Internet network nodes
need far smaller devices that can be mounted on roofs.  Since they are not
part of the electrical grid, there are no transmission lines and the
customer is assured of clean, renewable electricity at a long term
guaranteed price.

A good example is Ecotricity in the UK which builds and operates wind
turbines on partner sites such as data centers, factories and other
facilities.  Ecotricity takes on all the capital costs of the project,
including the turbine itself. The partner agrees to purchase the electricity
from the turbine and in return receive they received their own dedicated
supply of green energy at significantly reduced rates.  There is no finical
risk to the data center or Internet node.

http://www.ecotricity.co.uk/mwp/mwp.html

A number of companies are also building specialized wind turbines for
computer and telecommunication nodes that are much smaller scale in scale
than the massive wind turbines used by the utilities. Ericsson for example
is deploying cellular radio towers that are solely power by the wind.

http://green-broadband.blogspot.com/2008/10/wind-powered-cell-phone-tower.ht
ml

Vertical axis wind turbines originally developed at the National Research
Council in Canada are also very popular. There is no rotating blades the
units are extremely compact and yet can operate in all sorts of wind
conditions beyond the range of normal wind turbines

http://www.windports.com/ereal.html

 

There is also tethered air rotor systems which provide more sustained power
because they operate at higher altitudes

 

 <http://www.magenn.com/index.php> http://www.magenn.com/index.php 

Of course moving to a less reliable energy supply imposes new challenges on
the Internet architecture and routing. In the past re-booting routers or
route flaps were seen as a bad thing. Manufacturers went to considerable
trouble to make "carrier-class" routers and equipment that never needed
re-booting. But with intermittent availability of energy at every computing
and routing node we have to re-visit many of the architectural principles of
the Internet in terms of topology, routing protocols, and reliability.

We need new research into such concepts as least cost Co2 path routing where
the best route may not necessarily be the shortest route in terms of latency
etc. New distributed caching architectures to minimize CO2 emissions such
that large databases and computers can be located at distant renewable
energy sites will also be required but yet do not impact latency. New
network routing topologies with off-center routing and switching will be
required as today most routers and switches are located at the intersection
of multiple routing paths.  Finally new ideas and architectures will be
required as we look to integrate low CO2 optical networks with energy hungry
routers.

--BSA]

 

 

 

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<p class=3DMsoPlainText>For more information on this item please visit =
my blog at
<o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><a =
href=3D"http://green-broadband.blogspot.com/">http://green-broadband.blog=
spot.com/</a>
or <a =
href=3D"http://billstarnaud.blogspot.com">http://billstarnaud.blogspot.co=
m</a><o:p></o:p></p>

<p =
class=3DMsoPlainText>-------------------------------------------<o:p></o:=
p></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>[Most
people still don&#8217;t appreciate the sacrifices that are going to =
have to be
made in order to achieve CO2 reductions in line with Kyoto agreement or
upcoming Copenhagen agreement as documented in a recent MIT study that =
public attitudes
about climate change reveal a contradiction: &#8220; Surveys show most
Americans believe climate change poses serious risks but also that =
reductions
in greenhouse gas (GHG) emissions sufficient to stabilize atmospheric =
GHG
concentrations or net radiative forcing can be deferred until there is =
greater
evidence that climate change is harmful. US policymakers likewise argue =
it is
prudent to wait and see whether climate change will cause substantial =
economic
harm before undertaking policies to reduce emissions. Such wait-and-see
policies erroneously presume climate change can be reversed quickly =
should harm
become evident, underestimating substantial delays in the =
climate&#8217;s
response to anthropogenic forcing.&#8221;<o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><a
href=3D"http://climateprogress.org/2008/02/01/mit-study-sterman-stabilizi=
ng-carbon-dioxide-concentrations-not-emissions/">http://climateprogress.o=
rg/2008/02/01/mit-study-sterman-stabilizing-carbon-dioxide-concentrations=
-not-emissions/</a><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Overall
we need 80% reduction in GHG emissions in the coming years in order to =
simply stabilize
the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere. We have not yet begun to experience =
the
severe climatic disruption that will occur with the existing CO2 in the =
atmosphere,
never mind the additional GHG gasses that will be emitted in the coming =
years. Every
sector of society is going to be affected, including the Internet and =
ICT
industry even though their collective contribution to global GHG =
emissions is
relatively minor at 2-3% (but projected to double about every 4 to 6 =
years)<o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Improvements=

in energy efficiency, or PUE ratios at data centers are simply not going =
to be
enough, especially when you consider the overall growth in the Internet =
and ICT
in general. The overall absolute value of GHG emissions from the =
Internet and
ICT is bound to increase despite all our best efforts in energy =
efficiency. Hence,
as much as possible we need to strive for a zero carbon policy. It will =
not be
easy to move towards zero carbon in some sectors of society like
transportation, that is why other sectors must make an additional effort =
to
move to zero carbon in order to achieve an overall target of 80% =
reduction. (Nothing
is truly zero carbon &#8211; we use the term zero carbon when CO2 =
emissions are
insignificantly small from the energy production itself)<o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>CANARIE
in partnership with ITAC recently held a workshop on this subject on the =
many
technical and business challenges of building a zero carbon Internet. =
CANARE
intends to fund a pilot demonstrating the technical and business =
advantages of
building a zero carbon Internet. Many of the presentations at the =
workshop are
now available at:<o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><a
href=3D"http://www.slideshare.net/event/canarieitac-green-it-workshop">ht=
tp://www.slideshare.net/event/canarieitac-green-it-workshop</a><o:p></o:p=
></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>One
of the challenges building a zero carbon Internet is finding renewable =
sources
of energy to power data centers, routing nodes, carrier hotels etc. One =
option
is to purchase renewable power from the local utility.&nbsp; But this is =
fraught
with various issues in that purchasing renewable energy credits (RECs) =
does not
eliminate the need for dirty coal plants and it does not protect the =
customer
from significant jumps in the price of power as cap and trade comes on =
line.
Even if the customer is purchasing RECs, renewable power delivered over =
the
grid will increase in cost versus dirty power, as there will be =
significant demand
for such power when cap and trade significantly pushes up the price of =
dirty
power.<o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>The
&#8220;megawatt mindset&#8221; of most utilities also remains a major =
challenge
to building a zero carbon Internet.&nbsp; Fortunately there are now =
companies
that building windmills and run of the rivers turbines specifically for =
the
Internet and ICT industry that will work independent of the electrical =
grid,
even in urban settings.&nbsp;&nbsp; Windmills designed for the utility =
industry
tend to be monstrous devices in order to get economies of scale and =
cause all
sorts of nimby responses.&nbsp; But most data centers and Internet =
network
nodes need far smaller devices that can be mounted on roofs.&nbsp; Since =
they
are not part of the electrical grid, there are no transmission lines and =
the
customer is assured of clean, renewable electricity at a long term =
guaranteed price.<o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>A
good example is Ecotricity in the UK which builds and operates wind =
turbines on
partner sites such as data centers, factories and other =
facilities.&nbsp;
Ecotricity takes on all the capital costs of the project, including the =
turbine
itself. The partner agrees to purchase the electricity from the turbine =
and in
return receive they received their own dedicated supply of green energy =
at
significantly reduced rates. &nbsp;There is no finical risk to the data =
center
or Internet node.<br>
<br>
<a =
href=3D"http://www.ecotricity.co.uk/mwp/mwp.html">http://www.ecotricity.c=
o.uk/mwp/mwp.html</a><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>A
number of companies are also building specialized wind turbines for =
computer
and telecommunication nodes that are much smaller scale in scale than =
the
massive wind turbines used by the utilities. Ericsson for example is =
deploying
cellular radio towers that are solely power by the wind.<o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><a
href=3D"http://green-broadband.blogspot.com/2008/10/wind-powered-cell-pho=
ne-tower.html">http://green-broadband.blogspot.com/2008/10/wind-powered-c=
ell-phone-tower.html</a><o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Vertical
axis wind turbines originally developed at the National Research Council =
in
Canada are also very popular. There is no rotating blades the units are
extremely compact and yet can operate in all sorts of wind conditions =
beyond
the range of normal wind turbines<o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'><a
href=3D"http://www.windports.com/ereal.html">http://www.windports.com/ere=
al.html</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal>There is also tethered air rotor systems which =
provide more
sustained power because they operate at higher altitudes<o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN><a =
href=3D"http://www.magenn.com/index.php"><span
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"'>http://www.ma=
genn.com/index.php
</span></a></span><span style=3D'color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Of
course moving to a less reliable energy supply imposes new challenges on =
the
Internet architecture and routing. In the past re-booting routers or =
route
flaps were seen as a bad thing. Manufacturers went to considerable =
trouble to
make &#8220;carrier-class&#8221; routers and equipment that never needed
re-booting. But with intermittent availability of energy at every =
computing and
routing node we have to re-visit many of the architectural principles of =
the
Internet in terms of topology, routing protocols, and =
reliability.<o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>We
need new research into such concepts as least cost Co2 path routing =
where the
best route may not necessarily be the shortest route in terms of latency =
etc.
New distributed caching architectures to minimize CO2 emissions such =
that large
databases and computers can be located at distant renewable energy sites =
will
also be required but yet do not impact latency. New network routing =
topologies
with off-center routing and switching will be required as today most =
routers
and switches are located at the intersection of multiple routing =
paths.&nbsp;
Finally new ideas and architectures will be required as we look to =
integrate low
CO2 optical networks with energy hungry routers.<o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>--BSA]<o:p><=
/o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>

<p =
class=3DMsoPlainText>-------------------------------------<o:p></o:p></p>=


<p class=3DMsoPlainText>To subscribe or unsubscribe send e-mail to <a
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<p class=3DMsoPlainText>These news items and comments are mine alone and =
do not
necessarily reflect those&nbsp; of the CANARIE board or =
management.<o:p></o:p></p>

<p class=3DMsoPlainText><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p>

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