Fwd: Re: [sia-members] Our National Anthem
Yamanoor Srihari <yamanoor-/[email protected]> Tue, 7 Sep 2004 11:32:44 -0700 (PDT)
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--0-1777085567-1094581964=:62735 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii amit ganguli <aganguli-FGKo4X94FMn2fBVCVOL8/[email protected]> wrote:To: [email protected], [email protected] From: amit ganguli Date: Tue, 07 Sep 2004 10:35:45 -0700 Subject: Re: [sia-members] Our National Anthem Hi all, Not that I want to come down on Paritosh like a ton of bricks, since I know him personally and he is a super cool chap. However, there are some factual errors in the forwarded email. First, the FIRST stanza of the full song/poem "Jana Gana Mana" is the national anthem, there are FOUR more stanzas to the song/poem. I used to have the entire five stanzas in soft copy somewhere, but unfortunately I cannot find it right now ... in fact I even recited it at one of the I-day celebrations here. The full song/poem is pretty clear that "Jana gana mana adhinayaka" is NOT George V. BTW: Here is what Thakur himself wrote about Jana Gana Mana: "A certain high official in His Majesty's service, who was also my friend, had requested that I write a song of felicitation towards the Emperor. The request simply amazed me. It caused a great stir in my heart. In response to that great mental turmoil, I pronounced the victory in Jana Gana Mana of that Bhagya Vidhata of India who has from age after age held steadfast the reins of India's chariot through rise and fall, through the straight path and the curved. That Lord of Destiny, that Reader of the Collective Mind of India, that Perennial Guide, could never be George V, George VI, or any other George. Even my official friend understood this about the song. After all, even if his admiration for the crown was excessive, he was not lacking in simple common sense." It was indeed sung for the first time during the 1911 visit of George V, as the request was for that occasion. For more info, you can peruse this article: http://www.cs.brockport.edu/~smitra/janaganamana.html However, although the above article may give the sense that Tagore was fatalistic, this was not the case. Here is an excellent article on Tagore by Amartya Sen: http://nobelprize.org/literature/articles/sen/ Peace, ~amit At 09:32 AM 9/7/2004, Paritosh Ambekar wrote: hi ppl Just received this really interesting email and I was really amazed to with the facts given it in. Please read it to get an idea about our national anthem. Paritosh Just a thought for the National Anthem! How well do you know about it? I have always wondered who is the "adhinayak" and "bharat bhagya vidhata",whose praise we are singing. I thought might be Motherland India! Our current National Anthem "Jana Gana Mana" is sung throughout the country. Did you know the following about our national anthem, I didn't. To begin with, India's national anthem, Jana Gana Mana Adhinayaka, was written by Rabindranath Tagore in honour of King George V and the Queen of England when they visited India in 1919. To honour their visit Pandit Motilal Nehru had the five stanzas included, which are in praise of the King and Queen. (And most of us think it is in the praise of our great motherland!!!) In the original Bengali verses onl! y those provinces that were under British rule, i.e. Punjab, Sindh, Gujarat, Maratha etc. were mentioned. None of the princely states were recognized which are integral parts of India now Kashmir, Rajasthan, Andhra, Mysore or Kerala. Neither the Indian Ocean nor the Arabian Sea was included, since they were directly under Portuguese rule at that time. The Jana Gana Mana Adhinayaka implies that King George V is the lord of the masses and Bharata Bhagya Vidhata is "the bestower of good fortune". Following is a translation of the five stanzas that glorify the King: First stanza: (Indian) People wake up remembering your good name and ask for your blessings and they sing your glories. (Tava shubha naame jaage;tava shubha aashish maage, gaaye tava jaya gaatha) Second stanza: Around your throne pe! ople of all religions come and give their love and anxiously wait to hear your kind words. Third stanza: Praise to the King for being the charioteer, for leading the ancient travellers beyond misery. Fourth stanza: Drowned in the deep ignorance and suffering, poverty-stricken, unconscious country? Waiting for the wink of your eye and your mother's (the Queen's) true protection. Fifth stanza: In your compassionate plans,the sleeping Bharat (India)will wake up. We bow down to your feet O' Queen,and glory to Rajeshwara (the King). This whole poem does not indicate any love for the Motherland but depicts a bleak picture. When you sing Jana Gana Mana Adhinayaka, whom are you glorifying? Certainly not the Motherland. Is it God? The poem does not indicate that. It! is time now to understand the original purpose and the implication of this, rather than blindly sing as has been done in the past fifty years. Nehru chose the present national anthem as opposed to Vande Mataram because he thought that it would be easier for the band to play!!! It was an absurd reason but Today for that matter bands have advanced and they can very well play any music. So they can as well play Vande Mataram,which is a far better composition in praise of our dear Motherland * India.Wake up, it's high time! Shouldn't Vande Mataram be our National Anthem? PLEASE CIRCUILATE THIS AMONG YOUR BUSINESS & FRIENDS CIRCLE & HELP TO CREATE THE AWARENESS ABOUT THIS IMPORTANT MATTER!!!!!!!! Do you Yahoo!? New and Improved Yahoo! Mail - Send 10MB messages! Yahoo! Groups Sponsor Get unlimited calls to U.S./Canada --------------------------------- Yahoo! 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La vie.. http://www.stanford.edu/~yamanoor (with an updated guest book!) http://yamanoor.tblog.com --0-1777085567-1094581964=:62735 Content-Type: text/html; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit <html><body> <DIV><BR><BR><B><I>amit ganguli <aganguli-FGKo4X94FMn2fBVCVOL8/[email protected]></I></B> wrote: <BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">To: [email protected], [email protected]<BR>From: amit ganguli <[email protected]><BR>Date: Tue, 07 Sep 2004 10:35:45 -0700<BR>Subject: Re: [sia-members] Our National Anthem<BR><BR>Hi all,<BR><BR>Not that I want to come down on Paritosh like a ton of bricks, since I know him personally and he is a super cool chap. However, there are some factual errors in the forwarded email. First, the FIRST stanza of the full song/poem "Jana Gana Mana" is the national anthem, there are FOUR more stanzas to the song/poem. I used to have the entire five stanzas in soft copy somewhere, but unfortunately I cannot find it right now ... in fact I even recited it at one of the I-day celebrations here. The full song/poem is pretty clear that "Jana gana mana adhinayaka" is NOT George V.<BR><BR>BTW: Here is what Thakur himself wrote about Jana Gana Mana: "A certain high official in His Majesty's service, who was also my friend, had requested that I write a song of felicitation towards the Emperor. The request simply amazed me. It caused a great stir in my heart. In response to that great mental turmoil, I pronounced the victory in <I>Jana Gana Mana</I> of that <I>Bhagya Vidhata</I> of India who has from age after age held steadfast the reins of India's chariot through rise and fall, through the straight path and the curved. That Lord of Destiny, that Reader of the Collective Mind of India, that Perennial Guide, could never be George V, George VI, or any other George. Even my official friend understood this about the song. After all, even if his admiration for the crown was excessive, he was not lacking in simple common sense." <BR><BR>It was indeed sung for the first time during the 1911 visit of George V, as the request was for that occasion.<BR><BR>For more info , you can peruse this article:<BR><A href="http://www.cs.brockport.edu/~smitra/janaganamana.html" eudora="autourl">http://www.cs.brockport.edu/~smitra/janaganamana.html</A><BR><BR>However, although the above article may give the sense that Tagore was fatalistic, this was not the case. Here is an excellent article on Tagore by Amartya Sen:<BR><A href="http://nobelprize.org/literature/articles/sen/" eudora="autourl">http://nobelprize.org/literature/articles/sen/</A><BR><BR>Peace,<BR>~amit<BR><BR>At 09:32 AM 9/7/2004, Paritosh Ambekar wrote:<BR> <BLOCKQUOTE class=cite cite="" type="cite">hi ppl<BR>Just received this really interesting email and I was really amazed to with the facts given it in. Please read it to get an idea about our national anthem.<BR>Paritosh<BR> <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR> <BR>Just a thought for the National Anthem!<BR><BR>How well do you know about it?<BR><BR> I have always wondered who is the "adhinayak" and "bharat bhagya vidhata",whose <BR>praise we are singing.<BR> I thought might be Motherland India! Our current National Anthem<BR> "Jana Gana Mana" is sung throughout the country.<BR><BR> Did you know the following about our national anthem, I didn't.<BR><BR> To begin with, India's national anthem, Jana Gana Mana Adhinayaka, was written by <BR>Rabindranath Tagore in honour of King Georg e V and the Queen of England when they visited <BR>India in 1919.<BR><BR> To honour their visit Pandit Motilal Nehru had the five stanzas<BR>included, which are in praise of the King and Queen. (And most of us think it is in the <BR>praise of our great motherland!!!)<BR><BR> In the original Bengali verses onl! y those provinces that were <BR>under British rule, i.e. Punjab, Sindh, Gujarat, Maratha etc. were mentioned.<BR><BR> None of the princely states were recognized which are integral parts of India now <BR>Kashmir, Rajasthan, Andhra, Mysore or Kerala. Neither the Indian Ocean nor the Arabian Sea <BR>was included, since they were directly under Portuguese rule at that time.<BR><BR> The Jana Gana Mana Adhinayaka implies that King George V is the <BR>lord of the masses and Bharata Bhagya Vidhata is "the bestower of good fortune".<BR><BR> Following is a translation of the five stanzas that glorify the<BR>King:<BR> First stanza: (Indian) People wake up remembering your good name<BR> and ask for your blessings and they sing your glories. (Tava shubha naame jaage;tava <BR>shubha aashish maage, gaaye tava jaya gaatha)<BR><BR> Second stanza: Around your throne pe! ople of all religions come and give their love <BR>and anxiously wait to hear your kind words.<BR><BR> Third stanza: Praise to the King for being the charioteer, for<BR>leading the ancient travellers beyond misery.<BR><BR> Fourth stanza: Drowned in the deep ignorance and suffering, poverty-stricken, <BR>unconscious country? Waiting for the wink of your eye and your mother's (the Queen's) true <BR>protection.<BR><BR> Fifth stanza: In your compassionate plans,the sleeping Bharat<BR>(India)will wake up. We bow down to your feet O' Queen,and glory to<BR>Rajeshwa ra (the King).<BR><BR> This whole poem does not indicate any love for the Motherland but depicts a bleak <BR>picture.<BR><BR> When you sing Jana Gana Mana Adhinayaka, whom are you<BR> glorifying? Certainly not the Motherland. Is it God? <BR><BR><BR><BR>The poem does not indicate that. It! is time now to understand the original purpose and <BR>the implication of this, rather than blindly sing as has been done in the past fifty years.<BR><BR> Nehru chose the present national anthem as opposed to Vande Mataram because he <BR>thought that it would be easier for the band to play!!!<BR><BR> It was an absurd reason but Today for that matter bands have advanced and they can <BR>very well play any music. So they can as well play Vande Mataram,which is a far better <BR>composition in praise of our dear Motherland * India.Wake up, it's high time!<BR><BR> &nbs p; Shouldn't Vande Mataram be our National Anthem?<BR><BR><BR><BR> PLEASE CIRCUILATE THIS AMONG YOUR BUSINESS & FRIENDS CIRCLE<BR>& HELP TO CREATE THE AWARENESS ABOUT THIS IMPORTANT MATTER!!!!!!!!<BR><BR><BR><BR>Do you Yahoo!?<BR><A href="http://us.rd.yahoo.com/mail_us/taglines/10/evt=26231/*http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail/static/efficiency.html">New and Improved Yahoo! Mail</A> - Send 10MB messages! <BR><FONT color=#003399 size=2><B>Yahoo! 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