Re: Requesting support for a community-wide open le

I agree Eileen.  The most distasteful thing about Israel to me is the fact 
that it is state sanctioned genocide which is backed by all the so-called 
'free and democratic' countries.  I am Australian, and our govt supports 
Israel.  All the hypocrisy that goes on, such as the emphasis on Saddam 
Hussein breaching UN regulations, when Israel has breached more than any 
other country - is very frustrating.
I am no anti-Semite.  To me, a good Jew is as good as a good Muslim.  I make 
no distinction between people of different religions.  My problem is with 
the Israeli govt, who happen to be Jews.  If they were Christians, or 
Muslims I would feel the same way.

wa'salaam
Aisha


>From: "kas2eileen" <[email protected]>
>Reply-To: [email protected]
>To: <[email protected]>
>Subject: Re: [Progressivemuslimsnetwork] Requesting support for a 
>community-wide open le
>Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 16:32:45 -0500
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>salaam Afdhere, I must object to your statements as they sound very 
>inverted. We point out Israel's bad actions out of anti-Semitism? We point 
>it out instead of others bad actions? I don't think so and I think you are 
>close friends with some rabid Zionists because for months this is the way 
>you present your viewpoints. The anti war movement is against all war. The 
>Zionists who are also liberals want to remove Israel from the table of anti 
>war actions to protect themselves from conflicts of interest and they shut 
>people up by calling legitimate criticism 'anti Semitic"  I don't expect to 
>see such invalidation here. If Israel did want it should half the terrorism 
>and hostility toward Jews would dry up. or better. Many not anti Semitic 
>people have nevertheless become critics of Israel as they learn the facts 
>and Americans are paying for this stuff out of our earnings so we have a 
>right to criticize. Eileen
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: Afdhere Jama
>   To: [email protected]
>   Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2004 2:37 AM
>   Subject: Re: [Progressivemuslimsnetwork] Requesting support for a 
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>   salam, sister charmi,
>
>   the anti-war movement is a worldwide thingy :) not just american.
>
>   many times, i think many jewish americans became zionists simply because 
>of anti-semitism launched on jews by supposed "peace" and "freedom" loving 
>people. it is certainly a reactionary of the first order... but one that 
>can be understood.
>
>   the thing is that the first thing to justice... must be consistency. one 
>of the main reasons why arabs - for example - are not easily *won* by 
>america is that america is not consistent. and the same goes for all sides 
>of the coins. the anti-war movement becomes a joke... if it concentrates on 
>palestine more than it does on -- say -- kashmir or kurdistan.
>
>   i usually smell anti-semitism when people want to concentrate on the 
>horrible things israel does... completely ignoring the horrible things 
>other people do. all pain is the same. if that is not the way the soup is 
>made, something is smelling... and it is not the fish :)
>
>
>   afdhere
>
>   Afdhere Jama
>   Editorial Director
>   HURIYAH Publications
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>   >From: Charmi Miller >Reply-To: 
>[email protected] >To: 
>[email protected] >Subject: Re: 
>[Progressivemuslimsnetwork] Requesting support for a community-wide open le 
> >Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 13:01:25 -0500 > >hi br afdhere, > >well, i 
>absolutely agree with you that it is a situation of a people >being warred 
>upon like any other people being warred upon. i wasn't >saying emphasize it 
>over any other situation of occupation and war. > >what i read in what br 
>na'eem posted -- and i may have mis-read it >because i don't feel all that 
>well and was kind of scanning -- was that >there were people who wanted the 
>war on palestine to be removed from >anti-war work. i might have just 
>misunderstood. > >but, in terms of why this situation appears to eclipse 
>other situations >in the minds of americans: you always have to keep in 
>mind that one of >the reasons why what's happening to palestinians is so 
>terribly >intolerable to americans is that WE are the ones warring on them 
>- our >money, our weapons, even our citizens in many cases. > >(not to 
>mention the hidden funding from US citizens and organizations >that makes 
>the funds for the war machine pretty much limitless. i just >can't stop 
>wondering WHEM they are going to get around to freezing the >funds of US 
>individuals and organizations that launder such huge amounts >of money 
>which are funneled to support IDF/fringe group "terrorism"? << >i'm opposed 
>to the use of that word since it has now lost all meaning. >this 
>willingness to overlook money-laundering if it's bound for israel >is one 
>of the biggest twilight zone aspects of this to me... i wouldn't >be 
>surprised if the IRS switching their focus to this area of fraud >wouldn't 
>result in a big dent being made in the national debt.) > >being citizens of 
>a supposed democracy, we should have the means to put >a stop to our money 
>being used in these ways. this is only what "should >be", obviously. the 
>reality of our government and its selective >definition of "democracy" is a 
>whole different story.... > >charmi > >p.s. br afdhere i hear ya where you 
>ask the question "what if it were >jews?" things have gotten so bad here in 
>the US about palestine/israel >that i find that many if not most of my 
>jewish friends have so easily >slipped into newfound zionism, though they 
>tend to call it other things, >such as "finding their roots", that i am 
>actually scared by things they >say. as a result of what i see right around 
>me, i try extra hard to >constantly keep a watch on myself for reactionary 
>responses to things i >read or hear about israel. and there's a certain 
>'tone of voice' which >causes some automatic filtering when i read or hear 
>certain phrases, >such as anti-semitism. yes, we all have to keep an eye on 
>our own >biases, whether they're new ones or old ones, no matter where they 
>came >from. no doubt. ;) > > 
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