Re: Requesting support for acommunity-wide open le

salaam

On 27 Jan 2004 at 7:51, Afdhere Jama wrote:

> i'm not interested in personal insulting anyone.

I'll remember that as I read the rest of your post.

> i would like you to provide me with just a few
> reports of any muslims outside of the immediate countries who go into
> the streets, in protest of injustice done by other muslims?

No, I wont. You made (and continue to make) the accusation. You 
provide the proof for your accusations.

> yes, the
> peace loving cute anti-capitalist gang (muslim and otherwise) was
> certainly condemning the u.s. in the 1980s, for being friendly with
> the evil saddam... but did their condemnations continue after the u.s.
> became unfriendly with saddam? uhm, no. so, in reality, they did not
> give a rat's heck about kurds, did they?

As I said, you don't know what the heck you are talking about. During 
the 1991 Gulf War, i remember a pamphlet we issued which attacked 
Bush and Saddam. But again, its not my job to prove you wrong. It's 
your job to prove yourself right. but if your sunnah is anything to go by, 
you are quite content making wild global accusations.

Btw, since you give so many rats' hecks about the kurds and the 
chechens, tell us what you are doing to improve their lot

> and, as one of the many
> muslims who travel around "for" palestinian causes, perhaps you can
> tell me the last time there was a documented travel of you speaking
> for kurds, ogadens, chechens, etc?

I thought you were not going to get personal. That promise didn't last 
long.

As for your question, I have not travelled out of South Africa to speak 
on any of those particular issues. Oh, I have travelled to speak about 
the oppression of Muslim women, but not kurds, chechens, etc. Why? 
Because no one has invited me to do so and offered to pay my costs 
as it was done on the ... hmm... 4 or 5 occasions I've travelled out to 
speak about Palestine. After all, I'm just a poverty-stricken academic. I 
did attend a couple of international conferences that discussed all 
those issues btw. I was not a speaker at them, but participated in the 
discussions.

Now as for within South Africa... yes, I do speak about those issues. 
As do other members of the organisations I belong to (the palestine 
solidarity committee, the Anti-War Coalition, the Muslim Youth 
Movement, the Freedom of Expression Institute...) I was speaking 
against the soviet occupation of afghanistan when you were ... what? 
not born? ditto kashmir. and more recently chechenya. oh, while you 
are giving long lists, let's not forget rwanda, burundi, etc. You see, we 
don't believe that justice is divisible. We don't believe in one standard 
of justice for one group of people and another standard for another 
group of people. So even those of us that belong to the palestine 
solidarity committee in South Africa are also active in or work with  
groups like the anti-privatisation forum, the landless peoples 
movement, the anti-evictions campaign, jubilee south africa, etc.

As I said earlier, you have no idea what you are talking about.

> i know where it is, where it stands and what it wants. the problem
> with little fishes (i.e, innocent fishes who swimin distorted
> oceans)is that they assume you are accusing them and they get all
> defensive and what not... when in reality you are not accusing them at
> all but see them as victims of the big, bad fishes :-P

what was that about not getting personal?

> why
> are really people highlighting israeli oppression only?

like who?

> why are people
> being hateful to anti-zionist jews, reallypeace loving peoplein these
> movements? why? why? why? 

hmmm.... again, do you know what you are talking about??? Who is 
being hateful to anti-zionist jews? I would bet that most of the people 
on this list who do palestine solidarity work have anti-zionist jews in 
their organisations or work with anti-zionist jewish organisations. This 
certainly applies for the groups (in South Africa and other countries) 
that I work with.

sigh

na'eem