Re: RE: ProgressiveMuslims digest, Vol 1 #362 - 8 msgs

Alhamdulillah! May Allah accept our prayers and guide us to his Grace and Light. May we all come to know true Islam and be a true Muslim. May Allah free us from hate and hypocrisy. May Allah bless us with understanding to serve his command and love his creation. And above all may Allah save us from the whisper of the evil whisperer.  May I ask sister Joyce where is this wonderful masjid is located??









 --- On Wed 02/04, Joyce Lionarons < [email protected] > wrote:

From: Joyce Lionarons [mailto: [email protected]]

To: [email protected]

Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 11:21:53 -0500

Subject: Re: [Progressivemuslimsnetwork] RE: ProgressiveMuslims digest, Vol 1 #362 - 8 msgs



To me the problem isn't praying at the back of the mosque or in lines <br>separate from the men.  I've got no problem with that, and would prefer <br>not to bow or prostrate in front of a bunch of men who might be staring <br>at my behind.  The problem is being segregated in separate rooms where <br>we can't hear properly unless the PA system (if it exists) is working <br>properly, being obliged to walk through alleys and garbage to enter the <br>mosque at all, and never having a woman's perspective voiced in the <br>ummah -- at least not in any public way.<br><br>I'm lucky, I suppose, in that women at my mosque pray in the same room <br>as the men most of the time (at the back, with no barrier in between <br>except space), moving to a separate room only on Fridays when the main <br>room fills up entirely with men.  But the separate room affords a view <br>of the main room through two la
 rge sets of double doors, and can be <br>entered either through the main room or through an outside door at the <br>front of the mosque, next to the main door.  We speak at monthly <br>meetings and can therefore have input into the running of the mosque. I <br>would love, however, to hear a woman lead prayers or give a khutba, and <br>I don't expect that to happen anytime soon.<br><br>I'm a relatively new Muslim and haven't travelled much since I <br>converted, so I have to say this list is giving me quite an education as <br>to how women are treated elsewhere!<br><br>Salaams,<br><br>Joyce<br><br>Yamin Bismilla wrote on 2/4/2004, 11:03 AM:<br><br> > Slaams<br> ><br> > Why?  Why not?  Freedom!  Sure, lets give everyone all the choices and<br> > see<br> > what happens.  Lets serve liquor in schools.  They will make a choice to<br> > drink or not.  Lets have nude posters of Britney Spears
  and Vin Diesal<br> > dangling from every tower.  People will simply lower their gaze.<br> > Legalize<br> > all drugs might be good too.  Obviously this is an exxageration ;)<br> > But why<br> > not?  Give the people freedom!  It's all about balance and where to draw<br> > what line.  Or lets not draw any lines.  I think it would be interesting.<br> > Run for president.  I'll move to the States and vote for you.<br> ><br> > I'm not concerned about fitna, but I'm not going to ignore any side of<br> > the<br> > argument and just start leaping from extremities believing I have<br> > eveyrthing<br> > figured out.  Seriosly though, I could care less if men and women pray<br> > together, but I'm sure some people have a problem with it. I'm not<br> > going to<br> > ignore their views.  I, unfortunately, am not divine, and I don't know<br> > where<br> > all the boundries of the world lie.  Tha
 t is for us to guess, and for<br> > God to<br> > judge.  If you feel alone at the back of the mosque, I think you need<br> > to get<br> > more women to the mosque; but I guess that mosque elite is quite<br> > powerful.<br> ><br> > There are always plenty of tests of life.  Perhaps our 15 minutes at the<br> > mosque should be a solemn time, free from 'these' tests so we can fully<br> > focus on prayer?  no?  We have the other 22+ hours or so to be bombarded<br> > with any barrage of tests.<br> ><br> ><br><br><br><br>_______________________________________________<br>ProgressiveMuslims mailing list<br>[email protected]<br>http://willo.nitric.co.za/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/progressivemuslims<br>

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