Re: on original sin

ya allah. is there no limit to how you can convolute logic 
to give the most idiotic interpretations of things? well, I 
guess you can make the Qur'an mean whatever you 
want it to mean. no matter how clear it is. all your posts 
on this thread indicate that to me. sad.

On 6 Feb 2004 at 8:47, Afdhere Jama wrote:

> 
> salam, sister eileen,
> well in the qur'an, the punishment for adam and eve's sin was that
> they were put in a world where they had to fight sin all the time. me
> thinks we all face that punishment, no? and, yes, we are tainted as
> well. in the qur'an, god threatens adam and eve's descendants, after
> he forgives them: "We said; 'go from this (garden), surely my guidance
> will come to you and then whoever follows my guidance neither
> shallfear nor grief. and as for those who disbelieve and reject my
> guidance, they are the inmates of the hell-fire; in it they shall
> abide.'"(qur'an, 2:38-39) so, what that says is that anyone who does
> not believe in god's guidance (the prophets, books, etc) will face the
> original sin's forever punishment, not just the immediate punishment
> alone (which all good and bad humans face.) now how the heck does that
> differ from christians' belief that those who disbelieve in christ are
> not saved from the original sin? it is not a matter of being 'able' to
> sin, it is a matter of cleansing ourselves from a sin... daily. it is
> what traditional muslims call jihad el nafs or the struggle of the
> soul-- that constant fight with evil... in us and around us. afdhere