RE: Re: on original sin

salam,

actually, what is talked about is adam's future children, not his children's children :) also, the thingy is something that happened. since it starts with "wa id" or "and when," potraying as an event of the past. also, they are quoted... in unisom.

the 'moral', if you will, from the verses 7:172-172 are; a) we bore witness already that god is our lord b) that even if our parents choose other paths, we still must live up to that... because we already know... since it happened. now, muslims in the traditional islam call this "fitrah"... psychologists would call it "subconscious memory"

by the way, from a translator who actually spoke arabic as his first language;

Recall that your Lord summoned all the descendants of Adam, and had them bear witness for themselves: "Am I not your Lord?" They all said, "Yes. We bear witness." Thus, you cannot say on the Day of Resurrection, "We were not aware of this." (Rashad Khalifa, the Egyptian, translating 7:172)

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>From: "Moiz" >Reply-To: [email protected] >To: [email protected] >Subject: [Progressivemuslimsnetwork] Re: on original sin >Date: Fri, 6 Feb 2004 21:27:40 -0000 > > > >well, my argument then and now is... isn't this the same god > >who brought children of adam from the future and made them > >bear witness against their souls (see qur'an 7:172) that god > >is their lord? the whole thing called the "original sin" is > >proved in that verse... because apparently, god knew ALL of > >us would break that rule... or we are living the orignal sin > >... take your pick :) > >This is incorrect, nobody was brought back from the future. If we look at >the verse... > >7:172 When thy Lord drew forth from the Children of Adam - from their >
loins - their descendants, and made them testify concerning themselves, >(saying): "Am I not your Lord (who cherishes and sustains you)?"- They said: >"Yea! We do testify!" (This), lest ye should say on the Day of Judgment: "Of >this we were never mindful": > >It is not talking about the descendants from the loins of Adam, but from the >loins of the CHILDREN of Adam - meaning when we, the children of Adam, have >offspring and they reach the age of maturity, they bear witness against >their own souls. > >And then the next verse... > >7:173 Or lest ye should say: "Our fathers before us may have taken false >gods, but we are (their) descendants after them: wilt Thou then destroy us >because of the deeds of men who were futile?" > > > > >_______________________________________________ >ProgressiveMuslims mailing list >Progressi
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