Re: RE: ProgressiveMuslims digest, Vol 1 #396 - 4msgs

wasalam, br. elisha,

actually, i meant 65% of people on welfare are white people... not 65% of white people :-P (sorry that was a typo.) [yes, that would definitely be interesting... not that i wish any white people to be on welfare.]

as for anti-semitism; interesting you think arabs are mimicking europe. uhm, no. actually, long before europe "discovered" jesus, folks who are now arabs like the egyptians, syrians, iraqis, etc... were enslaving jews, stealing their wealth and generally oppressing the day out of the people. as for current day arab animosity to jews, it comes from israel; having lost wars to israel (which i don't know if people understand but is such a deep shame amongst the arabs which creates a lot of enmity), israel stealing palestinian (i.e, arab) land, so on and so forth.

also, i don't know about you but the west's constant oppressive mind towards the arabs is pretty anti-semitic to me. and israel's cruel mistreatments of palestinians is anti-semitic (though the later is more "internalized".) it is just that arabs didn't live in europe in multitudes. the arabs we see in europe now (such as the algerians in france, morrocans in spain, etc) are from the colonial period. and even they themselves have seen lots of anti-semitism.

brother muqarib, according to the amc (i think that is muhammad's group), they have like a million members. yes, i personally know a few black ismailis (which is part of shi'ism... and certainly far from the nation and sunnis.) but i was talking about the "big" rest ones. and i know some black sufis, as well :-)

afdhere

Afdhere Jama
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HURIYAH Publications
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>From: Elisha >Reply-To: [email protected] >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: [Progressivemuslimsnetwork] RE: ProgressiveMuslims digest, Vol 1 #396 - 4msgs >Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 09:33:08 -0800 (PST) > >salaam bro, > >Im sorry but I think you make a number of incorrect >assumptions and statements. First of all 65% of white >people are not on welfare...that is the most >ridiculous thing to say. Approx, 65% of welfare >recipients are white...thats because they are around >80% of the entire population. If 65% of white people >were on welfare...then there wouldn't be such a thing >as white racism. Secondly, we need to stop playing on >words in a very juvenile manner. Yes in a very strict >sense of the word Arabs could be victims of >anti-semtism
- but the truth is that Jews suffered a >peculiar type of oppression, persecution and genodical >attacks because they were JEWS. And the Arab world >mimicked Europe's anti-semitism during colonial rule. >We have deviated from Islam in this regard. > >Ofcourse welfare is an issue with black voters but my >only point was that the issues regarding black voters >and the convservatives are deeper than that...in short >neo-cons most resemble our former slave master's >brutality and hypocrisy. Welfare and Jobs are >secondary and circumstantial reasons, but they do not >explain the contrast of values that exist. Again on >this issue you present a false dichotomy...as though >one has to be rich to not be on welfare. > >But this comment takes the cake for me, Afdhere wrote: > >"for blacks, they won't even think about >israel/palestine issu
e. it is just not an issue for >black people in this country." > >That is not true at all...Blacks have deep feelings >about this issue. What is the case is that the Black >community is deeply divided on the issue...determined >mostly by geography and less by something like >religion. Blacks overwhelming were against the war in >Iraq...Blacks were overwheliming questioning the >motives and the reasons behind 9-11. Brother you >should really stop making sweeping generalizations. > >P.S. - I wanna see how you respond to the 65% of white >people on welfare thing. > >wasalaam >--- Afdhere Jama wrote: > >--------------------------------- > > >salam, sr. charmi, > >yes, it is exactly the thing i tell israeli/jewish >zionists. but honestly, though, i don't see the >difference yameen sees between mu
slims (who come in >all races) and jews (who also come in all races.) for >example, i'm from a continent... where the majority of >the jews are black. the same continent where the >majority of muslims aren't considered black. in fact, >as sad as this sounds, the area i'm from... most >people don't even know there are white jews ... let >alone latin, indian, etc :) > >the comment i was making was a clear distinction >between african-americans (who have a small percentage >of muslims amongst them)... and general muslim public >(who are mostly immigrants... most of whom arrived >within the past thirty years.) they vote >differently... as day and night. for example, for >immigrant muslims... a zionist politician is a red >flagged. for blacks, they won't even think about >israel/palestine issue. it is just not an issue for >black people
in this country. (and this they share >with most americans.) > >when i came to this country, i was very curious about >the nation (of islam.) people make huge assumptions >about them. for example, i bet many people on this >list think they are the majority of african-american >muslims. eeer. wrong. out of the 1 + million >african-american muslims, only about 20, 000 are of >the nation. the rest? traditional muslims led by the >late elijah muhammad's son. > > > >afdhere > > > >Afdhere Jama >Editorial Director >HURIYAH Publications >S A N F R A N C I S C O >[email protected] >http://www.huriyahmag.com > > >From: Charmi Miller >Reply-To: >[email protected] >To: >[email protected] >Subject: >Re: [Progressivemuslimsnetwork] RE: ProgressiveMuslim
s >digest, Vol 1 #396 - 4msgs >Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 >08:57:59 -0500 > >br inas (sr?) yes, i agree about >every chance to broaden anyone's >perpsective being a >welcome opportunity..... > >sister yameen, try not to >be annoyed if someone asks you why you're not >hindu >if you're indian. it may seem to you to be quite an >ignorant >question, but most people in most places >hold a large number of >stereotypes about most people >other places in the world. we all have >work to do to >lift stereotypes whenever we encounter them.... > > > >br afdhere, as for the comment "anti-semitic"... >well... one way i have >found to try to work on that >weird little semantic problem, when someone >says >someone like "well anti-semitism is on the rise", is >to say in >response something like "oh yes it is, and &
gt;is certainly is terrible! and >so many semitic people >are hurt by it - so many jews and so many >arabs.... >it is terrible. and possibly its worst manifestation, >the >institutionalized anti-semitism of semitic israel >against the >palestinians, just tears my heart wide >open!" > >or something along those lines... ;) >..depending on who was speaking >and what they said. > > >charmi > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >ProgressiveMuslims mailing list > >[email protected] > >http://willo.nitric.co.za/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/progressivemuslims > > > >--------------------------------- > Say “good-bye” to spam, viruses and pop-ups with MSN >Premium -- free trial offer! >_______________________________________________ProgressiveMuslims
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