CryoNet #31739 - #31740

CryoNet - Sat 13 Jun 2009

    #31739: Re: Cryonic Communities  [John de Rivaz]
    #31740: Re: CryoNet #31737: No life insurance for sign up [Thomas Kla... [Kitty Antonik Wakfer]

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Message #31739
From: "John de Rivaz" <[email protected]>
References: <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Cryonic Communities 
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 12:06:08 +0100

Thomas Klauset Aurdal writes of an email to the Cryonics Society not being
answered.

Email is a wonderful resource, but it was developed for use by intelligent
and honourable people. Now so many silly and dishonourable people use it to
advertise worthless services that it has become unreliable. However if a
message has not been answered, you can simply send it again and add a
forenote saying something to the effect that either this message or your
reply did not get through. Obviously if the person the other end knows you
and does not want to reply then they still won't, but in the case of a new
enquiry to CS this is unlikely to be the case.

Ironically the Internet provides an ideal search tool for people wanting
specific goods and services, so demand is need-lead rather than vendor-lead.
Maybe it is the shake out of spurious economic activity that has caused the
economic downturn, but a leaner more efficient economy will result.

Dr Stodolsky writes

>>>
It isn't realistic to expect people to move to some location where
they can find other cryonicists. Most people have jobs, friends,
family, etc. that they can't very easily leave. Therefore, the model I
suggested of forming supportive groups as part of a recruitment
process is probably more likely to work. It also overcomes the
economic limitations that face a vast majority of the World's
population.
<<<

I 100% agree, but unfortunately this isn't at all easy! Ultimately, though,
it strengthens the entire movement in instances were it is successful, far
more than forming a single facility. Concentrating all cryonicists in one
place and/or in one legislature makes them vulnerable to physical or legal
violence by those fanatically opposed to them.

-- 
Sincerely, John de Rivaz:  http://John.deRivaz.com for websites including
Cryonics Europe, Longevity Report, The Venturists, Porthtowan, Alec Harley
Reeves - inventor, Arthur Bowker - potter, de Rivaz genealogy,  Nomad .. and
more

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Message #31740
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2009 11:11:16 -0400
From: Kitty Antonik Wakfer <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: CryoNet #31737: No life insurance for sign up [Thomas Kla...
References: <[email protected]>

On 06/12/2009 05:00 AM, CryoNet wrote:
>
> Message #31737
> Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 18:38:52 +0200
> Subject: Cryonic Communities
> From: Thomas Klauset Aurdal <[email protected]>
>
>   
[snip]
> . Im not signed up yet only because no insurance
> companies are covering me because of my medical history.
>
>
>
> Thomas
>
>   
Hello Thomas,

Life insurance is not at all the only way to fund cryonic preservation. 
I and my husband Paul Wakfer have cryonic preservation contracts with 
Alcor that are funded by variable annuities with return of premium death 
benefit option through Vanguard. (http://vanguard.com) These were done 
in mid 2005 with sufficient capital and having the insurance backing for 
the minimum required by Alcor for neuros even if the investment value 
went down  - as they did in Oct 2008, even worse this past February and 
have not yet fully recovered. In other words the original investment 
money is there for Alcor, as the beneficiary of both annuities, should 
either one (or both) of us require a cryopreservation - and no use of 
the typical life insurance is involved. You could do similarly by saving 
the capital required for an annuity, knowing that you will not be able 
to have a contract with a cryopreservation organization until you do. We 
chose this method rather than a paid up contract with Alcor because we 
are in control and can get the benefit out of the investment - plus we 
expect to live a very long time :-)

-- 
**Kitty Antonik Wakfer

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