CryoNet #31769 - #31773

CryoNet - Sun 28 Jun 2009

    #31769: Philip Ball and Cryonics [benbest]
    #31770: Re: Tremendous, world class debate re: science vs. religion a... [David Stodolsky]
    #31771: Re: Michael Jackson set to be 'plastinated' [yvan Bozzonetti]
    #31773: Curtis Henderson deanimates [benbest]

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Message #31769
Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2009 07:49:17 -0400
From: [email protected]
Subject: Philip Ball and Cryonics

   Rudi Hoffman wrote:

> But not till you read Sam Harris, in this battle of the intellectual
> heavyweights, in a spirited debate with an editor of NATURE magazine named
> Mr. Ball, do we realize how HIGH the bar actually is for genuine
> intellectual discourse.
>
> If I can ever be HALF as smart, compelling, or clear in my thinking and
> writing as Sam Harris I will be thrilled. :)
>
> You may not want to read the whole "shooting match" (because it does get
> long).  But the first two day's dialogue will blow you away with how
> refreshing it is to read the writings of an individual who pulls no punches
> with accomodationists.
>
> Make up your own mind, but I found this incredibly stimulating.
>
>   
> http://www.reasonproject.org/archive/item/what_should_science_dosam_harris_v_philip_ball/

   I have read enough of Philip Ball to regard him
as one of the most talented technical writers in his
ability to make science interesting to the layman.
In one of his books

Life's Matrix: A Biography of Water

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0520230086/

Ball describes cryonics as not only unworkable, but a
social evil. It is ironic that in his debate with Harris,
Ball strongly opposes the view that religion should be
attacked at every opportunity -- suggesting instead that
religion has made both positive and negative contributions
to society, and that religion and science can amicably
co-exist. This in contrast to Ball?s view that cryonics
should be attacked whenever the opportunity presents
itself and that cryonics is an unmitigated evil.

          -- Ben Best

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Message #31770
From: David Stodolsky <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Tremendous, world class debate re: science vs. religion a...
Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2009 19:02:40 +0200
References: <[email protected]>

On 27 Jun 2009, at 11:00 AM, Rudi Hoffman wrote:

> This is on the subject of the relationship of science and religion.   
> And is
> highly "on topic" for this forum, conceptually.

No doubt, since religiosity is the key variable in attitudes toward  
cryonics.


> But not till you read Sam Harris, in this battle of the intellectual
> heavyweights, in a spirited debate with an editor of NATURE magazine  
> named
> Mr. Ball, do we realize how HIGH the bar actually is for genuine
> intellectual discourse.


Unfortunately, intellectual discourse has little, if any, effect on  
religiosity. In fact, it has been argued that the militant critics of  
religion are actually having the effect of promoting religiosity:

The New Atheist Movement is destructive
<http://www.fritanke.no/ENGLISH/2009/The_new_atheist_movement_is_destructive/ 
 >


Loud but not clear
<http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/apr/13/atheists-christianity-religion-dawkins-bunting 
 >


The phenomenon is well known within social psychology. The critical  
attacks strengthen the identity of those attacked (social identity  
theory). A real world example is the Islamic Conference Organization  
(ICO). Before the Bush Gang's attack on Muslims, it was little more  
than a diner club, now it has become a real influence.


dss


David Stodolsky
[email protected]  Skype: davidstodolsky

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Message #31771
Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2009 19:01:45 +0200
Subject: Re: Michael Jackson set to be 'plastinated'
From: yvan Bozzonetti <[email protected]>

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> From: Mark Plus <[email protected]
>
> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1195750/Michael-Jackson-set-plastinated-missing-deadline-cryogenic-freezing.html#
>
> Michael Jackson set to be 'plastinated' after missing the deadline for
> cryogenic freezing


 <...>


> Von Hagens, who has caused widespread controversy with his practice of
> preserving corpses with polyurethane, today declared: 'An agreement is in
> place to plastinate the King of Pop.'
>
> Von Hagens said that he spoke with representatives of the Jackson family
> 'many months ago' and it was agreed that his body will be plastinated and
> placed next to Bubbles, his late pet monkey who was also plastinated a
> number of years ago and is currently exhibited at The Body Worlds & Mirror
> Of Time exhibition at the O2 in London.


<...>

 Monkey business anyone ?


Yvan Bozzonetti.

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Message #31773
Date: Sun, 28 Jun 2009 02:11:17 -0400
From: [email protected]
Subject: Curtis Henderson deanimates

Cryonics Institute Member and cryonics pioneer Curtis Henderson
(first President of the Cryonics Society of New York
in 1965 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curtis_Henderson)
deanimated early Thursday morning. He is now in the
cooling box at CI. He is expected to go into liquid
nitrogen at the end of next week.

   Ben Best, President, Cryonics Institute

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