CryoNet #32107 - #32111

CryoNet - Thu 29 Oct 2009

    #32107: Re: contests [John de Rivaz]
    #32108: Cryonicists helping one another was Re: A new defense of "Me ... [Mark Plus]
    #32109: Re: A new defense of "Me first" [2Arcturus]
    #32111: self interest in cryonics [Charles Platt]

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Message #32107
From: "John de Rivaz" <[email protected]>
References: <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: contests
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 10:36:42 -0000

There was certainly a contest in New Scientist in September 2002 in which 
about a third of people chose cryonics rather than a vacation in a poll 
associated with the contest. Because the monetary value of the vacation was 
much less than the CI cryopreservation offered, and the ratio of the poll 
still put cryonics as a minority, the magazine awarded the prize to someone 
chosing the vacation. (Or maybe it was pure chance that the winner chose the 
vacation.)

There may have been a similar one in Omni. If it produced a similar result 
this would be interesting, as Omni is US based whereas New Scientist is UK 
based.  This would tend to suggest that a third of the English speaking 
world do, at least a little, favour cryonics.

Does anyone know for a fact whether there was a competition in Omni? Looking 
back thorugh the web I could find no clear evidence that such a thing 
existed, although there is for New Scientist http://www.newscientist.com if 
you  search its site with "cryonics competition"

-- 
Sincerely, John de Rivaz:  http://John.deRivaz.com for websites including
Cryonics Europe, Longevity Report, The Venturists, Porthtowan, Alec Harley
Reeves - inventor, Arthur Bowker - potter, de Rivaz genealogy,  Nomad .. and
more

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Message #32102
From: David Stodolsky <[email protected]>
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 About a third
of people responding to the Omni contest chose cryonics over a
vacation trip.
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Message #32108
From: Mark Plus <[email protected]>
Subject: Cryonicists helping one another was Re: A new defense of "Me ...
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 09:49:28 -0700

In Cryonet #32104, Steve Bridge writes:

http://www.cryonet.org/cgi-bin/dsp.cgi?msg=32104

>May I also note that, while "Me First" is important for getting people started in cryonics, many cryonicists have too narrow of a world view and unconsciously (or perhaps *consciously* in some extreme cases) interpret that as "Me Only." In other words, once they have set up arrangements for themselves, they don't care what happens to anyone else.  It's pretty clear that this results in no one else caring about them.

>*Successful* cryonics organizations and successful outcomes can only come from a large number of people saying "Me, and my family and my friends and a lot of other people first, all together."  

The Venturists, despite  weird allegations made about us lately by He Who Must Not Be Named, did something along those lines earlier this year by raising money for William O'Rights's  suspension with CI:

The Cryonics Institute's 93rd Patient
http://www.cryonics.org/reports/CI93.html

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Message #32109
References: <[email protected]>
Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 16:10:39 -0700 (PDT)
From: 2Arcturus <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: A new defense of "Me first"

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Thanks Steve for saying that!

Message #32104
References: <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: A new defense of "Me first"
Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 11:08:41 -0400
From: [email protected]

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May I also note that, while "Me First" is important for getting people started in cryonics, many cryonicists have too narrow of a world view and unconsciously (or perhaps *consciously* in some extreme cases) interpret that as "Me Only."  In other words, once they have set up arrangements for themselves, they don't care what happens to anyone else.  It's pretty clear that this results in no one else caring about them.

*Successful* cryonics organizations and successful outcomes can only come from a large number of people saying "Me, and my family and my friends and a lot of other people first, all together."  

Steve Bridge

In reply to:Message #32100
From: Mark Plus <[email protected]>
Subject: A new defense of "Me first"?
Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 12:24:55 -0700

(Cryobiologist John Baust reportedly calls cryonics "supreme egotism." Yeah, so? 
Mark Plus.)

You, yourself and you: Why being self-centered is a good thing

http://www.physorg.com/news175767654.html



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Message #32111
Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2009 01:55:40 -0400
Subject: self interest in cryonics
From: Charles Platt <[email protected]>

While I believe that almost all non-neurotic behavior is self
interested, I determined long ago that my main interest in cryonics
derives from my anger about other people dying. I have great
difficulty accepting the deaths of people whom I care about. The
destruction of human beings is an abomination; therefore, any gesture
against mortality feels worthwhile to me and lessons my feelings of
frustration or depression.

My own death worries me less. For example, on the occasions when I
have had general anesthesia, I have felt no anxiety related to it. I
have also engaged in high-risk activities (which would pretty much
eradicate my chance of useful cryopreservation) such as hang gliding,
fast driving in dangerous conditions, roofing a building, and so
forth.

I am extremely worried and unhappy about my aging process, but that is
a separate issue which I feel powerless to address significantly.

People's motives relating to cryonics may be more complex than they
seem. I didn't figure out mine for many years.

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