CryoNet #32114 - #32115

CryoNet - Sat 31 Oct 2009

    #32114: Re: CryoNet #32103 [David Stodolsky]
    #32115: Re: chronic radiation  [John de Rivaz]

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Message #32114
From: David Stodolsky <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: CryoNet #32103
Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 10:25:11 +0100
References: <[email protected]>

On 28 Oct 2009, at 10:00 AM, CryoNet wrote:


>  In YOUNIVERSE I have demonstrated, at least to my own satisfaction,
> that self interest (properly understood) is not only the only  
> conscious
> motivation of everyone, but the only possible motivation, no  
> exceptions.

Self-sacrifice is observable in most organisms, at least from worms to  
humans, evolutionarily speaking. There is good evidence for multi- 
level evolution, which means there is also a group "survival  
instinct". This is characterized as hardiness, a psychological  
variable (see Maddi, et al.):

"Hardiness fits into the existential frame of reference. The attitude  
of commitment leads you to want to be inextricably involved with the  
people and events in your world. The control attitude leads you to the  
conviction that you deeply influence what is going on in your life.  
And the challenge attitude encourages you to keep learning from the  
resulting experiences, so that you can find meaning and wisdom. In all  
this, hardiness assumes that humans have both social and psychological  
needs (Maddi, 2002b). The social need leads you to want continuing  
contact, communication, and solidarity with the others around you. And  
the psychological need, based on the continual information  
requirements of the big brain humans that have evolved, leads you to  
search continually for the stimulation provided by new experience. Put  
the two needs together, and that is the human basis for the value of  
deepening social relationships in the direction of intimacy and  
caring, rather than mere contractuality."

http://www.psychologymatters.org/hardiness.html


http://jhp.sagepub.com/cgi/content/abstract/44/3/279

Hardiness: An Operationalization of Existential Courage (Maddi,  
Journal of Humanistic Psychology, Vol. 44, No. 3, 279-298 (2004))

This indicates that the self-centeredness advocated above is actually  
detrimental to the growth of cryonics, since: "Hardiness has been  
shown in research to ... increase perceptions and actions consistent  
with choosing the future."

Yet another indication that amateur social science is hazardous to the  
future of cryonics.


dss

David Stodolsky
[email protected]  Skype: davidstodolsky

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Message #32115
From: "John de Rivaz" <[email protected]>
References: <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: chronic radiation 
Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2009 09:39:33 -0000

If the data is easily available, it might be worth looking at average lifespans for those living in areas affected by natural radiation from mineral sources such as granite or gravel soils as opposed to those areas with less natural radiation.  If generally available data produces some sort of result this may be sufficient to get funding for a more precise one.

However to be really effective such a study would need to be limited to long term residents -- most people "relocate" ie move house very frequently these days. Also, of course, other causes of death such as accident need to be removed.

-- 
Sincerely, John de Rivaz:  http://John.deRivaz.com for websites including
Cryonics Europe, Longevity Report, The Venturists, Porthtowan, Alec Harley
Reeves - inventor, Arthur Bowker - potter, de Rivaz genealogy,  Nomad .. and
more
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  From: CryoNet 
  To: [email protected] 
  Sent: Friday, October 30, 2009 9:00 AM
  Subject: CryoNet #32112 - #32113




  Message #32112
  From: Keith Henson <[email protected]>

  <del>

  Is Chronic Radiation an Effective Prophylaxis
  Against Cancer?

  http://www.jpands.org/vol9no1/chen.pdf

  I would speculate that low level radiation damage is keeping the
  immune system tuned up to clear out damaged cells and that the active
  immune system is working more than enough to keep cancer at a very low
  level.
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