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CryoNet - Fri 11 Dec 2009
#32201: Re: Grim story on cryonics [Keith Henson]
#32203: Re: CryoNet #32199 - #32200 [Rudi Hoffman]
#32204: Scientists Create Material More Insulating than the Vacuum [Mathew Sullivan]
#32205: Yudkowsky's statistics [Ettinger]
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Message #32201
Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 08:00:50 -0800
Subject: Re: Grim story on cryonics
From: Keith Henson <[email protected]>
>Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 08:30:46 -0800 (PST)
>From: Luke Parrish <[email protected]>
>Subject: Re: Grim story on cryonics
>> Message #32198
>> From: "[email protected]"
>> Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2009 22:32:28 GMT
>> Subject: Grim story on cryonics
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>> http://www.365tomorrows.com/12/08/wake-up/
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>I enjoy a good story, but what scares me is that people really do think like
>this.
>They think that granting immortality to "mortals" would automatically come with
>a horrible Faustian price to pay.
>The story does not take into account the existence of a more advanced
>understanding of psychology in the future. People who have been alive for 500
>years will tend to have a greater, rather than lesser understanding of human
>nature.
>Furthermore, irrational violence is neurological in nature, and an advanced
>understanding of neurology will be necessary to bring people back. The perfect
>society finding themselves unprepared for cryos is not a very credible scenario
>in my opinion.
I agree.
Evolutionary psychology is a particularly powerful tool for
understanding humans.
In addition, we will be in singularity country by the point anyone is
revived from suspension. At that point de novo AI or something
evolved out of humans but much smarter should be running the show.
Keith Henson
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Message #32203
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Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 11:33:47 -0500
Subject: Re: CryoNet #32199 - #32200
From: Rudi Hoffman <[email protected]>
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Fascinating...Mark...thanks for this reference to the 1969 book about the
conception of the future these folks had, clearly and explicitely defined in
this book.
Looking back from the perspective of almost 40 years, when the wonders these
authors write about have come true in parts but are so different than the
future they envisioned, I understand the cynicism engaged in by so many.
While the tech parts are almost eerily correct in this book, the human
nature parts are abysmally naive.
But, I think parts of their utopianism are justified.
We HAVE improved the human condition for the vast majority of folks on the
planet. Human ingenuity and scientific thinking have dramatically changed
the lifestyles of most humans...by in large, for the better, by most any
metric. Including THE metric that matters, happiness and fulfillment. IMO.
So, Mark, thanks for forwarding this link.
Now let's help create the Information Age utopia these authors envisioned...
For Centuries,
Rudi
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> From: Mark Plus <[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: Grim story on cryonics
> Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 09:12:23 -0800
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> "Futurist" Jacque Fresco, who at age 93 has received some renewed interest
> thanks to those "Zeitgeist" movies on the web, writes negatively about
> revived cryonauts in his book, "Looking Forward" (1969). Scroll down to pp.
> 107-110:
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> http://www.thevenusproject.com/images/stories/Looking-Forward-v2.pdf
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> Wikipedia on Fresco
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> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacque_Fresco
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> As you can probably gather from his portrayal of the "sane" individuals in
> his utopia set in "the twenty-first century," Fresco engages in a certain
> amount of human nature denialism as well. The passage where the shiny happy
> Future People become "physically ill and vomit" at the behavior of a
> community of cryonauts could have come from the satirical film "Demolition
> Man."
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Message #32204
From: Mathew Sullivan <[email protected]>
Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 14:49:43 -0500
Subject: Scientists Create Material More Insulating than the Vacuum
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Scientists Create Material More Insulating than the Vacuum:
http://www.physorg.com/news179672831.html
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Message #32205
From: [email protected]
Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 17:43:34 EST
Subject: Yudkowsky's statistics
Eliezer Yudkowsly has an article on lesswrong.com
about statistics--"frequentist," "subjective," and
Bayesian. While I largely agree with him, I think
that in Youniverse I have offered a clearer explanation
of the differences and a way in which ALL probabilities
can be seen as objective and frequentist, while avoiding
the persistent blunders of the usual approaches.
More generally, lesswong tries to promote rationalist
thinking, including cryonics. Well, rationalism isn't
necessarily rational in a certain sense, since the
rational thing to do is to try to optimize your future
life, and for some people delusion holds the most
promise. But some of us value integrity above
comfort.
Robert Ettinger
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