CryoNet #32373 - #32377

CryoNet - Tue 9 Feb 2010

    #32373: Re: CI growth rate decreasing? [David Stodolsky]
    #32374: Re: cryonics terminology [robomoon]
    #32375: NewYorker letter regarding "Ice Man" [MARK PLUS]
    #32376: Imaging The Dead [John de Rivaz]
    #32377: Re: Broadcast alert [John de Rivaz]

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Message #32373
From: David Stodolsky <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: CI growth rate decreasing?
Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 13:22:22 +0100
References: <[email protected]>

On 8 Feb 2010, at 11:00 AM, CryoNet wrote:

> The underlying prediction is that growth is
> decreasing linearly, that is,

> it is constant

This should read "number of suspensions per year is *a* constant"

>
> independent of the size
> of the membership.


dss


David Stodolsky
[email protected]  Skype: davidstodolsky

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Message #32374
Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 14:50:16 +0100 (CET)
From: [email protected]
Subject: Re: cryonics terminology

Another word next to CRYONAUT that deserves mentioning is PRESERVEE. The plural preservees, which means those who are put into preservation, must be seen in its plausible context. Similarly to the word suspendee, the word preservee refers to someone who is put passively into a state of safe-keeping. Preservee stands in context to preservation like suspendee to suspension. Since the LONGEVITY MEME NEWSLETTER http://www.longevitymeme.org/newsletter/view_newsletter.cfm?newsletter_id=261 used this word in 2008, there will be no problem to use it more frequently in hindsight to cryonics.

> From: [email protected]
> Subject: cryonics terminology
> 
> Here's my suggestion for a replacement for the term "suspendee", given the
> twin constraints of avoiding the fraudulent claim that the "patient" is
> still legally alive, while still meeting the requirement that it be a good
> PR term.
> 
> CRYONAUT
> 
> Like cryonics itself, cryonaut is not in the dictionary, so it avoids any
> possibility of making any illegal or fraudulent claims. The same can not be
> said for either patient, or cryopreserved person.
> 
> Unlike terms such as corpsicle, or just plain frozen corpse, cryonaut sounds
> like a good PR term, given that astronaut, or cosmonaut refers to a person
> that is engaged in high adventure travelling in a spacecraft. Cryonaut could
> mean a human body that is engaged in (potentially) high adventure by
> traveling to the future inside a cryostat. Whether said body is ever
> reconstructed as a live human being is for the future to decide.

--



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Message #32375
Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 07:37:33 -0700
Subject: NewYorker letter regarding "Ice Man"
From: MARK PLUS <[email protected]>

http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/letters/2010/02/15/100215mama_mail2

February 15, 2010

Jill Lepore's article on Robert Ettinger, who founded the Cryonics
Institute, in Michigan, deftly placed the cryonics "movement” squarely
with the lunatic fringe, where it belongs ("The Iceman,” January
25th). There are many legitimate applications of low-temperature
biology (think frozen semen), and any decent cryobiologist (someone
who studies the effects of low temperature on living systems, and
something I used to be) would have plenty to say about the nuttiness
of freezing dead people. And yet the reanimation of a cell or an
organism is wondrously strange. I've been out of the field for a long
time, but I still pay a cattle-breeding center over a hundred dollars
a year to maintain a few oyster embryos in liquid nitrogen. They look
like hairy microscopic volleyballs. I froze them twenty-five years
ago, and they have no conceivable value or use, but if you plunge them
in seawater they'll wake up, those little hairs will start to beat,
and off they'll swim. So, yes, freezing corpses and taking money to do
it is pathetic and immoral-but I still can't bring myself to flush my
tiny sleeping oysters.


Brian Harvey

Victoria, B.C.

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Message #32376
From: "John de Rivaz" <[email protected]>
Subject: Imaging The Dead
Date: Mon, 8 Feb 2010 16:27:45 -0000

from
https://rcr.ac.uk/docs/general/pdf/Imaging_the_Dead_Dec_2009.pdf

Imaging The Dead

by Dr Giles Maskell on Behalf of the Royal College of Radiologists

The College has received a number of enquiries from radiologists who have been approached
to assist pathologists or Coroners by performing and interpreting imaging investigations
performed after death. In the past, when post-mortem imaging involved only plain film studies
performed for forensic purposes such as the identification of foreign bodies or comparison
with dental records, radiologists have not usually been directly involved in this process.
However, the increasing application of cross-sectional imaging techniques including CT and
MRI has led to requests for radiologists to become involved in this new area of practice.

<del>

The first study to attempt validation by comparison of
CT/MR findings with conventional autopsy in a series of adult patients is currently being
undertaken in the UK and is expected to report late in 2010. Until that time radiologists who
are not participating in this research and who are not able to demonstrate that their
interpretation has been compared with conventional autopsy can only offer very limited help
without exposing themselves to significant risks.

<del>

My comment:

It is unfortunate that yet again a medical professional (the radiologist) is being put at personal risk by the legal profession if he were to assist a cryonics patient. 

However one can be optimistic about the fact that research is being done and maybe by the time anyone in the UK needs cryopreservation to save his life that the lawyers will accept sufficient correlation between radiology and dissection to accept radiology as sufficient post mortem examination.

If this does happen in the UK, it is likely that legal professionals in other civilised nations will have to follow suit.

-- 
Sincerely, John de Rivaz:  http://John.deRivaz.com for websites including
Cryonics Europe, Longevity Report, The Venturists, Porthtowan, Alec Harley
Reeves - inventor, Arthur Bowker - potter, de Rivaz genealogy,  Nomad .. and
more

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Message #32377
From: "John de Rivaz" <[email protected]>
References: <5F9E3C9722B04E7598E905B0BEE22F87@p4dc>
Subject: Re: Broadcast alert
Date: Tue, 9 Feb 2010 07:56:46 -0000

The file can now be found on

http://www.bbc.co.uk/podcasts/series/belief

for a limited time

-- 
Sincerely, John de Rivaz:  http://John.deRivaz.com for websites including
Cryonics Europe, Longevity Report, The Venturists, Porthtowan, Alec Harley
Reeves - inventor, Arthur Bowker - potter, de Rivaz genealogy,  Nomad .. and
more

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: John de Rivaz 
  To: Cryonics Europe ; Cryonics_Institute (Yahoo group) ; cryonet 
  Sent: Saturday, February 06, 2010 5:00 PM
  Subject: [Cryonics Europe] Broadcast alert


    
  Chrissie will be speaking about cryonics on a BBC Radio4 programme:

  Monday, 8 February 2010, 16:30 UT on BBC Radio 4 FM 
  History of the World Special 
  Ernie Rea discusses the meaning of the flood tablet relating part of the Epic of Gilgamesh

  A podcast should appear on the web page a few hours after transmission.

  -- 
  Sincerely, John de Rivaz: http://John.deRivaz.com for websites including
  Cryonics Europe, Longevity Report, The Venturists, Porthtowan, Alec Harley
  Reeves - inventor, Arthur Bowker - potter, de Rivaz genealogy, Nomad .. and
  more

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