CryoNet #32542 - #32545

CryoNet - Tue 6 Apr 2010

    #32542: Re: CryoNet #32534 - #32541 [Freeposity]
    #32543: Re: CryoNet #32534 - #32541 [Freeposity]
    #32544: pick-a-nit [Ettinger]
    #32545: Brook Norton [Ettinger]

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Message #32542
References: <[email protected]>
Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2010 13:05:10 -0500
Subject: Re: CryoNet #32534 - #32541
From: Freeposity <[email protected]>

Message #32541
From: [email protected]
Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2010 22:20:03 EDT
Subject: upload focus

>Whether any of this is worth the time and effort remains
>doubtful, but I keep hoping I can find some slightly
>different arrangement of words that will clarify some
>issues and get past the mantras of the uploaders.


Not all simulations or artificial constructs are as prone to
information loss as the map and terrain example you prefer to use.

Can you tell the difference between a real voice and a digitally recorded voice?

Can you tell the difference between synthetically created sugar and
"natural" sugar.

Your examples only really highlight your biases.

-- 
Money isn't speech.
A Corporation isn't a person.
http://www.movetoamend.org/

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Message #32543
References: <[email protected]>
Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2010 13:07:07 -0500
Subject: Re: CryoNet #32534 - #32541
From: Freeposity <[email protected]>

On Mon, Apr 5, 2010 at 1:05 PM, Freeposity <[email protected]> wrote:
> Message #32541
> From: [email protected]
> Date: Sun, 4 Apr 2010 22:20:03 EDT
> Subject: upload focus
>
>>Whether any of this is worth the time and effort remains
>>doubtful, but I keep hoping I can find some slightly
>>different arrangement of words that will clarify some
>>issues and get past the mantras of the uploaders.
>
>
> Not all simulations or artificial constructs are as prone to
> information loss as the map and terrain example you prefer to use.
>
> Can you tell the difference between a real voice and a digitally recorded voice?
>
> Can you tell the difference between synthetically created sugar and
> "natural" sugar.
>
> Your examples only really highlight your biases.
>


I'm sorry I also meant to add chess. A game of chess is the same
regardless of whether it is played on a real board or a virtual board.


-- 
Money isn't speech.
A Corporation isn't a person.
http://www.movetoamend.org/

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Message #32544
From: [email protected]
Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2010 22:28:45 EDT
Subject: pick-a-nit

David Stodolsky wrote in part:
 
> The "instinct" of self preservation, for most people at most
>  times in modern conditions, is conspicuous by its   absence.

According to one of the most successful psychological  approaches  
today, terror management theory, this is erroneous. The  'instinct' is  
always present, but it is suppressed from awareness by  cultural myths:
Sheesh. I said "at most times in modern conditions..." So it's worth
telling me that the instinct isn't absent, just suppressed? 
 
I think David's heart is in the right place, but sometimes!
 
Robert Ettinger


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Message #32545
From: [email protected]
Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2010 22:46:08 EDT
Subject: Brook Norton

Brook Norton's thesis that survival is meaningless has 
as usual some good thoughts, but if we want accuracy
we need to be careful. With reasonable choice of allowable
language, it is certainly true that "you" or any object or system
can properly be regarded as surviving in certain ways and
to certain degrees. This is observable. 
 
The problem again is not what you want, but what you ought
to want based on logic and biology. It's complicated and
subtle, and satisfaction is not guaranteed, but that's why I wrote
Youniverse
 
Robert Ettinger


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