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CryoNet - Mon 2 Aug 2010

    #32741: Medal [Ettinger]
    #32742: The biggest victim of The Long Life Magazine, The Cryonics In... [Jonano]

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Message #32741
From: [email protected]
Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2010 11:12:45 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Medal

Thank you, Mr. Rabis.  The German group is a good step forward.
 
Robert Ettinger
 
In a message dated 8/1/2010 5:01:10 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
[email protected] writes:

CryoNet  - Sun 1 Aug 2010

#32739: "Robert-Ettinger-Medal" [Jens  Rabis]
#32740: Reminder -- chat call 7 PM US Eastern Time  Sunday [RAMole]

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Message  #32739
From: "Jens Rabis"  <[email protected]>
References:  <[email protected]>
Subject:  "Robert-Ettinger-Medal"
Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2010 17:16:00 +0200

Hi  Cryonauten,

Quote": Alcor News, July 2010: 

1st to 3rd October  2010 in Goslar, Germany
The German Society for Applied Biostasis (DGAB)  organizes its first
scientific symposium. It has the title "Applied  Cryobiology - Scientific
Symposium on Cryonics" and will be held in autumn  2010. 
The symposium is a pioneering event. Its aim is to emphasize the  scientific
fundamentals of cryonics. Scientists from universities and  cryonic
research-facilities all over the world present the state of the art  of
science. 
During the symposium the "Robert-Ettinger-Medal" for  outstanding merits in
the field of cryonics will be awarded for the first  time. Robert Ettinger 
is
regarded to be the "father of cryonics". He  established the Cryonics
Institute in Michigan (USA) and is known to be a  pioneer of transhumanism.
His books "The Prospect of Immortality" and "Man  into Superman" are
essential works in the fields of cryonics and  transhumanism. 
The symposium "Applied Cryobiology" will be held at the  UNESCO World
Heritage Site Goslar, Germany, from 1st to 3rd October. For  more 
information
contact Homepage: http://symposium2010.biostase.de" "End  of quote    

Congratulations for the idea of a medal,  congratulations with my great
respect to Robert Ettinger the named donors.  This has been done few people
in your life. And there were / are infinitely  many billions people. The
"Robert-Ettinger-Medal" shows a  strengthened/reinforced self-confidence of
the cryonic movement :-) Yes, I  fell in surprise from the computer chair.


***

Zitat: "In  diesem Jahr wird zum ersten Mal die ,Robert-Ettinger-Medaille"
fur  besondere Verdienste fur die Kryonik verliehen. Robert Ettinger gilt  
als
der ,Vater der Kryonik". Er grundete das Cryonics Institute in  Michigan
(USA) und ist als Transhumanismus-Pionier bekannt. Pragend waren  seine
Bucher ,The Prospect of Immortality" und ,Man into Superman", beide  sind
essentiell fur die Gebiete der Kryonik und des  Transhumanismus'.

Das Symposium findet vom 1. bis zum 3. Oktober in  der
UNESCO-Weltkulturerbestatte Goslar am nordlichen Harzrand statt."  Zitat
Ende, Quelle:  http://www.biostase.de/symposium2010.html

Gluckwunsch zur Idee einer  Medaille und Gluckwunsch in groBem Respekt an 
den
Namensgeber. Das haben  nur wenige Menschen in Ihrem Leben geschafft ... und
es gab und gibt  unendlich viele Milliarden Menschen. Die
"Robert-Ettinger-Medal" zeigt ein  gestarktes Selbstbewusstsein der
kryonischen Bewegung. Ja, ich bin vor  Uberraschung vom Computer-Stuhl
gefallen.


Best greetings from  Berlin-Germany
Jens Rabis

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Message  #32740
From: [email protected]
Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2010 18:52:00  EDT
Subject: Reminder -- chat call 7 PM US Eastern Time  Sunday

Reminder:

The cryonics chat call is still on for this  Sunday, 7 PM US  Eastern 
Daylight Time. The original message with the  details is copied  below. If 
overseas 
please note the dateline may  make it Monday for you.

I believe this is 2 AM Monday in London, 11 AM  Monday in Sydney and 9 AM  
Monday in Perth, but I suggest you check  that!  Londoners may be forgiven  
for not staying  up...


The number is (712)  338-8710   -- and when it  asks for the room number  
type in 388, "followed by the pound   sign." 



Alan

__________



Hello all, and  now for a new idea!  

I want to suggest a conference call just for  chat.  These calls work well 
for board meetings and are inexpensive,  or even free for  many people. Why 
do 
this? Because how often do you  get to talk to fellow  enthusiasts? A call 
just to chat would be like  dropping by a coffee klatch  of cordial 
cryonicists.

It's  possible to get a free chat room for up to 30 people at a time. Users 
  
just call the number (it's a regular area code in Iowa), key in the  
extension,  and chat. Users pay for the long distance charge  themselves -- 
but long 
distance  is free to many of us; we pay for  unlimited service by the 
month. 
For others,  it's cheap now. For many  places overseas it's a couple of 
cents a  minute. For those in more  remote areas, many Internet cafes have 
access 
to  Skype, which is a  couple of cents a minute too. Thus I hope it should 
be  affordable  for all.

The number is (712)  338-8710   -- and when it  asks for the room number  
type in 388, "followed by the pound   sign." 

I've used this service with another organization for years, and  it's 
always 
been excellent.

Because anyone can call in we would  assume  the presence of talkative 
types 
and discourage any  controversial or  private remarks. 

Would anybody like to try  this? Does anyone have a time suggestion?   What 
about this  Sunday, 5 PM Mountain Daylight Time, 7PM  Eastern? 

and maybe  someone can find this as GMT, Australian etc. -- I can't  seem 
to  
find a site that gives anything but the current time, and we have to   
worry 
about the International Dateline too.

Or does anyone have a  better time suggestion?

Also, note that the number is available  24/7/365, so any of us wishing to  
have a small conference to discuss  anything can always use it. (Say, 
several 
people want to discuss perfusion  techniques or uploading or whatever.)  
Also, these numbers are free  and take about ten seconds to get, so if we 
want  
another number for  private discussions that's easy too. ( And if you want 
your  own  number for family calls etc., just go to  mrconference.com.)

I  tried this with the Cryonics Institute group but got only one caller -- 
I  
think the group needs to be larger. Please let me know if you plan  to  
attend.

Is anyone interested? Anyone prefer another time?  Comments?

Alan Mole
[email protected]_ (mailto:[email protected])  








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Message #32742
Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 06:30:43 +0200
Subject: The biggest victim of The Long Life Magazine, The Cryonics In...
From: Jonano <[email protected]>

You have no right to publish personal and confidential data such as a
mental disease of a person without his agreement, you are a criminal.
I valuate my lost of about 30 000$ because of this article over the
years (6).

The article was assembled by John De Rivaz (some people say it's John
Bull now, will we know who did one day ? for sure ? It seems that
people are not jostling to author this work/article), who for the
reason of being "mentally cleaned by a cryonics organisation" put
together an article to create a sensation for his "institute", on the
back of a young ambitious, optimist, constructive open minded boy,
welcoming all friends.

The problem with this article is that people falsely accused Jonathan
(me) of all the problems in the cryonics industry at that time. To be
sure to understand this matter, the Cryonics Institute have a monopoly
on cryonics with Alcor and they want to keep it. Alcor does not
comment any legal matter in the public, something the Cryonics
Institute does (its magazine: Long Life).

If you would be this person who got accused and ridiculized in public,
would you love this place/situation?

The Long Life magazine with this article destroyed all my friendships
in this community with false accusations, destroyed my chance to
succeed in business, as well as a way to get a better job. In this
article some people (who wrote about me (?)) asked to be removed and
finally they got removed.

I asked many time, on a period of 5 years to remove this article, by
all means, they have no ethics, no heart, because they keep the
article even if they know it's making harm on a personal level.

It is hardly difficult to build a public image with this article on
internet when you type my name jonathan despres on google.

People who accused me, and who will remove the false claims and from
who I wait their excuses:

Jonathan Hinek (founder of Cryonics Cafe/Cold Filter one of the
biggest defamation hub against Alcor, Saul Kent (etc?), most notably),
Eugen Leitl (originator of this label), Bill Smith, Rudi Hoffman, and
the main man who assembled the article (the attack) and who didnot put
his name on the article: John De Rivaz (or John Bull, we dont know).

Some comments about the article itself:

1) Rudi Hoffman did want to join my conference, but after many
negatives comments on me, begun to lie on our relation.

2) I have no mental disease. I'm a normal introvert.

3) They have no permission to use my name.

More text:

Jonathan Despres is a well known 3 traps victim of cryonics. I suggest
some others have been victim of it too.

3 cryonics traps envisioned by Charles Platt:

Trap #1. "Our organization needs help. If you do your thing instead of
helping us, you will weaken us. If we collapse, you will have nothing.
Therefore, you should NOT COMPETE WITH US." I call this "The Whining
Monopoly Scenario" since the organization seeks to preserve a monopoly
of its market segment by whining about its delicate condition.

Trap #2. "Our organization cares for cryonics patients who must be
protected at all costs. If you criticize our organization or reveal
embarrassing facts, you will empower hostile legislators or others who
will try to shut us down. Therefore, you should say NOTHING NEGATIVE
ABOUT US." I call this "The Perpetual Hostage Scenario," since the
cryonics patients are serving exactly the same role as hostages.

Trap #3. "You'll be dead before you have time to build a new
organization to save yourself." I guess the only answer there would be
to establish your organization as a cult and surround yourself with
young acolytes.

Finally:

The Long life magazine did wrote a bad article.

They never had, or got my permission to use my name on their site and
to destroy my reputation. My battle to get removed this article did
made me sadness, frustration, and destroyed my reputation and is still
doing it.

I dont have any disease called Social Anxiety and I work every day of
the week. (as an internet marketer)

My reputation on Cryonet droped because of this article. I am not a
danger of cryonics (I am rather a victim).

If I have a chance to get enough money, I will sue the magazine and
ask to remove this article.

Recently, because of this paper, Rudi Hoffman et al, asked their
friends to block my account on Facebook, they would probably like to
see me dead too.

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