CryoNet #32747 - #32750

CryoNet - Sat 7 Aug 2010

    #32747: The Optimist VERSUS The Cryonicist [Jonano]
    #32748: Cryonics Summer Party in Toronto, Canada on Saturday, August ... [benbest]
    #32749: a rationale for organ donation [oberon]
    #32750: Re: a rationale for organ donation [John de Rivaz]

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Message #32747
Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 12:11:21 +0200
Subject: The Optimist VERSUS The Cryonicist
From: Jonano <[email protected]>

The Cryonicist has no difference with an Optimist.

That is good news !! It's a real positivism.

--Jon

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Message #32748
Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2010 11:20:48 -0400
From: [email protected]
Subject: Cryonics Summer Party in Toronto, Canada on Saturday, August ...

  The Cryonics Society of Canada Toronto
local group will be having a Summer Party
next Saturday (Saturday, August 14, 2010) in
Toronto, Ontario, Canada 3pm to 7pm, with
a lecture at 5pm. All interested in cryonics
are welcome to attend. See the CSC website
for details:

http://www.cryocdn.org/news.html

   -- Ben Best

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Message #32749
Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2010 00:06:51 -0700 (PDT)
From: [email protected]
Subject: a rationale for organ donation

[Currently conditions for cryopreservations are quite poor outside of the US. By also being an organ donor, anyone interested in cryonics would benefit from medically provided heparin, as well as body cooling.]

J Prof Nurs. 2005 Mar-Apr;21(2):97-102.
The ethics of heparin administration to the potential non-heart-beating organ donor.
Motta ED. Department of Nursing, Rhode Island College, Providence 02908, USA.
Abstract
    The increasing need and limited sources for organs has stimulated a renewed interest in non-heart-beating organ donation (NHBOD). NHBOD is the donation of organs from cadavers that have been declared dead by cardiopulmonary criteria. Emerging protocols for heparin administration to the potential non-heart-beating organ donor (NHBD) deserve scrutiny. This topic is presented within a limited discussion of organ donation in general. The definition of death has been refined to its present state because of the need for clear parameters in light of a desire to procure organs for transplant. The administration of heparin to the NHBD is intended to prevent the formation of blood clots in the kidneys and liver. Heparin at high doses is clearly not given for the benefit of the patient, and some 
 professionals are concerned that administration may hasten death. Nurses are guided by codes that require the consideration of the ethical principles of autonomy, informed consent, beneficence, and justice while providing compassionate care. An eagerness to procure viable organs for positive transplant outcomes must not be the guiding force in protocols that allow the administration of heparin to the potential NHBD. Heparin administration is supported for these donors within specific parameters.
PMID: 15806507

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Message #32750
From: "John de Rivaz" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: a rationale for organ donation
Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2010 09:10:57 +0100

Unfortunately organ donation and cryonics don't mix.

It has been suggested before that people could strike some sort of bargain with the authorities: allow my head (or brain) to be cryopreserved, and you can have anything else that is left.

There are two objection to this.
1. The authorities don't bargain with citizens or patients. 
2. The procedures for cryonics aim to benefit the patient, whereas the protocols for organ or tissue donation aim to benefit the recipient of the parts, and some of these conflict.

If someone is an organ donor, once they are declared dead, they become  "a remains" - not a person but an object to be cannibalised for spare parts. The person has "gone to heaven". What is left is regarded as being no different to a finger nail clipping, for example. Once anything useful has been removed, what is left after that is disposed of according to funerary custom. If the "funerary custom" happens to be cryonics, then what is left has a chance of reanimation that is as close to zero as one could hope to get.

-- 
Sincerely, John de Rivaz:  http://John.deRivaz.com for websites including
Cryonics Europe, Longevity Report, The Venturists, Porthtowan, Alec Harley
Reeves - inventor, Arthur Bowker - potter, de Rivaz genealogy,  Nomad .. and
more

[email protected] writes:


[... By
also being an organ donor, anyone interested in cryonics would benefit from 
medically provided heparin, as well as body cooling.]


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