CryoNet #32830 - #32831

CryoNet - Sat 11 Sep 2010

    #32830: "Hang your plow to a star" --Soufi [Jonano]
    #32831: Re: CryoNet #32827, #32823, #32812 [Snewellinstitute]

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Message #32830
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2010 13:29:50 +0200
Subject: "Hang your plow to a star" --Soufi
From: Jonano <[email protected]>

"Hang your plow to a star" --Soufi

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Message #32831
From: [email protected]
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2010 18:19:18 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: CryoNet #32827, #32823, #32812

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Concerning the  Cryonics Institute Annual General Meeting in Michigan:      
   2010_280 
Computers have data,  but humanoid beings have synthetic cognitive 
construct capability modifying  anything from direct environmental experience into 
speculation of the possible  and probable.   
Hence, do we see some  floundering words of debate if techno-rapture is 
more or less dangerous that  christo-fundamentalist rapture crusades?  
In an infinite  universe, infinite space and infinite time, the possible 
and probable is very  valuable to research and come together to discuss. 
As a first generation  electronically trans-human I ask your consideration. 
I am one who would not be  able to survive economically, if not for my 
computer device attached to my body  constantly making a random permutation of 
megahertz signal to neuro-stimulator  electrodes over damaged spinal ganglia. 
I ask those who would say they are true  modern scholars to consider how 
the tone of their meanings place the functions  of society in a world of 
industrial science economics.  
It may make words like  "correct" to have a very significant value in a 
statement that could cause  creation of cooperation or war considerations.  
What I ask is with either result, that  at the lease, those walking toward it 
did so because that was what they decided  intelligently and not 
accidentally.  May I refer to some examples?  
From: 
#32823:  The question is offered as to what the  human connection is to 
applied use of basic physics in a new  nano-technology?  And a possible  quote 
of Charles Babbage seems to be made: 
"As a rule of thumb,  it seems to me that a new technology can progress
> quickly if it (has  possession of) exploits (presenting) the correct 
principles of physics from  the
> beginning," 
Who will claim  superior knowledge of "correct" Science principles in 
engineering so my body  lives? 
When I walk into the  shopping store or my old familiar bar and grill and 
people see my LED flashing  lights showing my Neuro-Stimulator device I try 
to wear subtle on my belt where  I can keep an eye on what the controls are 
saying and keeping my legs from  paralysis, I see the eyes of other people.  
The real human politics toward electronically "trans-human" is all around  
you here today. Machine/human body persons are around you and they care what 
you  have to say more than you may know.  
In cryonics also there  is much real history to this science area that goes 
back a number of years.  It is not about the anti-freeze in car  radiators 
either.  All you need to do is go to something  like "Wikipedia" about the 
frozen Canadian Wood Frog, Atlantic Cod or Antarctica  Ice Fish to review 
NASA related study of ideas for applied technology in these  areas very well 
funded.  
From: 
#32812 
"KF7G is an  anti-freeze flavonol glycoside, comparable
to anti-freeze proteins and ice  blockers in its
mechanism of action." 
The energy of greater  amounts of research is going to incline toward the 
study of naturally evolved  species on Earth that cryo-preserve themselves 
successfully today.  This planet is a rich biological  resource for discovery. 
We see their research suggesting a task seems to be to  compare and 
contrast of cell types and cytoplasm functions between cells of an  Ice Fish and a 
Mammal in order to understand.  Also this comparative cytology area of  
research has some information regarding several species of Bats which do almost  
cryo-preserve seasonally for a short time.  What I am suggesting is that in 
the words of the Bishop in the movie  "Angels and Demons" we try to "
criticize gently" because our discussion of the  issues yields much good that is 
immediately non-obvious to any single individual  in this discussion group.  
 
So I say to the  comments thanking Mr. Brown, "Echo, echo..." because the 
work of this unique  science industry (Cryonets) forum plays a role in things 
to the extent of a WWW  level none of us can assess.  
There are so many  dimensions to what is going on.  
How could I be an  expert in all of this? How could you claim to be?  
So why won't you at  least try to be less scary about it as you present a 
position? History is full  of unnecessary prejudiced abuse by one person on 
one to another, for being less  intelligent in some specific area or poorer 
in their resource to support their  expertise, or abused for some ethnic or 
trait of appearance or disability?  Across all of this mostly subjective 
human perception the hope I would ask is as  this annual meeting happens in 
Michigan, you try to be "gentle" and think of  the humanity around you 
listening.  
We are very different  individuals here. We are taking several different 
approaches to this common  existential challenge. If we make a break-through 
it will lift the hopes of all.  To the greater good, let the petty limits of 
our human creature fears be  diminished. Maybe we are not driven like a "
Christian fundamentalist"  organization is by some metaphysical faith about 
religious faith-magic, but it  could still be called a kind of cosmic calling. 
And since history is full of  wars made by church leaders, let us keep the 
lessons of history.   
May I admit my shame?  I try to hide my neuro-stimulator unit that I have 
to wear. I am ashamed that  after a life time of health science study and use 
of healing arts very  successfully in my older age the parts of my body 
that formed once in the womb  are failing permanently and I am disabled. The 
way people see me is now clearly  tainted by that change to what was otherwise 
a beautifully healthy attractive  youthfully-featured Hollywood actor's 
family  kind of person. But the lesson I have learned is great in value.   
It is really wrong of  me to try to hide my computer unit in shame that my 
body depends upon so that I  am not in a wheelchair. I am the first 
generation of what you speculate may  exist "someday" in your world and until this 
year I would have been with you  looking in pity at this body. So as you 
have the annual meeting I am too poor  and economically oppressed to attend, 
lead with gentleness, please? No one hopes  you success more than I do. Can 
you honor my positive hope as I see you working?  For the sake of many like 
myself who have sleepless nights in pain and fear they  may again change 
policy on pain treatment and not fund my device, can you please  focus upon your 
work with honor in your hearts in consideration of the growing  number of 
people who live a little bit trans-humanly and strive today  politically fully 
aware you have helped medicine change. Because really until  recently in 
most places medicine regarded mind-bending pain very simply. Usually  it was 
treated with stupefying liver toxic drugs and counseling for psychiatric  
anger management as if the anxiousness was a product of some social perception  
of anger instead of a constant nerve signal of unending dis-ease. Your work 
 provokes doctors to change. Your work makes whole lives change. It is 
wrong  logically the State of New  York won't renew a driver's license without 
a signature  to donate kidneys upon death but also still the policy is a 
Cryonics patient  can't get their brain legally identified upon death as 
legally anything but a  physical object stressing the effort of the medical 
request to cryo-preserve.  Keep doing what you do. Debate with gentleness and be 
mostly together for your  greater purpose for us all. It is of life saving 
importance.   
Sincerely, 
S.  Newell 
S. Newell Institute  & M.S.I.A.H., Inc. an organized study group since  1973

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