CryoNet #32914 - #32916

CryoNet - Fri 8 Oct 2010

    #32914: Some links to improve our world [Jonano]
    #32915: after Gerald Moore [Ettinger]
    #32916: Reason 3--why uploading unlikely [Ettinger]

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Message #32914
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2010 06:43:12 -0400
Subject: Some links to improve our world
From: Jonano <[email protected]>

Here we can see some publications in the field of nanotechnology:

http://www.foresight.org/publications/weekly.html (still updated)
http://www.foresight.org/updates/Publications.html (an archive)

nanoTITAN is dead. It's sad to see.

Here is a nice organisation:

http://stemcell.stanford.edu/ (which could lead to the creation,
production of artificial organs)

Some venture capitalism about nanotechnology:

http://www.luxcapital.com/portfolio.php (I believe cryonics should be
more friendly with venture capital firms, with some knowledge about
it)

Here is a nice web site about jobs in nanotech:

http://www.tinytechjobs.com/

Here is a person who post alot of news in science in general:

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100001067133079 (I believe if
we get as much as possible information about general science, it could
lead to opportunities)

Here is a new interesting concept:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientistic_materialism

And here is my page:

http://future.wikia.com/wiki/User:Jonano

--Jon

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Message #32915
From: [email protected]
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2010 10:46:54 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: after Gerald Moore

See below.
 
My question is not whether a simulation could be "intelligent" but whether  
it could have feeling or life-as-we-know-it. This is not a matter of 
accuracy of  simulation, but whether a mere collection of symbols can have 
consciousness. It  seems very clear to me that it cannot.
 
Robert Ettinger
Message  #32911
References: <[email protected]>
From:  Gerald Monroe <[email protected]>
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2010 04:17:47  -0500
Subject: Re: CryoNet #32905 -  #32910

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The arguments against  uploading assume that we would need a perfect
simulation of the physics of  the human brain in order for the uploaded
entity to be intelligent and a  reasonable facsimile of the uploaded
personality.  Nothing could be  farther from the case.

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Message #32916
From: [email protected]
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2010 21:32:46 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Reason 3--why uploading unlikely

Reason 3. Time intervals in the computer and in  life.
 
We envision a situation where a person to be simulated is scanned and  the 
data are used to create a representation of the subject in the computer,  
encoded as some kind of symbols representing numbers, the numbers in turn  
representing coordinates of points in phase space for the simulation. The  
program then has the computer generate successive states of the  simulation, 
i.e. successive arrays of data. Each later state of the  computer corresponds 
to a later moment in the "life" of the simulation, the  interval between each 
successive state in the computer being constant  according to the 
capability of the computer.
 
Now, assume the original lives on, while his simulation is being run on the 
 computer. The simulation "lives" like a film with frames at non-zero 
intervals.  The original lives in some fashion not presently understood--possibly 
in a  continuous fashion with no gaps, or possibly 
jumping each time to an appreciably different state with nothing in  
between. Even in the latter case, however, it is exceedingly unlikely that the  
intervals between successive states would be the same for the original and for 
 the simulation. Hence, it seems to me, the simulation cannot be faithful 
to the  original. Again, we can't know yet how important the differences may 
be, but  there will surely be differences.
 
Robert Ettinger


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