CryoNet #33031 - #33035

CryoNet - Sat 6 Nov 2010

    #33031: Re: CryoNet #33027 - #33030 [Freeposity]
    #33032: Re: CryoNet #33027 - #33030 [Gerald Monroe]
    #33033: Re: #33029: Molecular Nanotech: implementation questions [Mik... [robomoon]
    #33034: Nanocryotech [Luke Parrish]
    #33035: This is the next facebook [Jonano]

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Message #33031
References: <[email protected]>
Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2010 07:37:50 -0500
Subject: Re: CryoNet #33027 - #33030
From: Freeposity <[email protected]>

On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 4:00 AM, CryoNet <[email protected]> wrote:
> From: [email protected]
> Subject: Nano-swimmers and cooling blankets
>

>Neither a desktop nanofactory nor glucose
>oxidation can adequately explain how
>untethered nanobots could operate at
>cryogenic temperatures.


Why would you want to? Certainly you would want to work in
temperatures slightly above freezing during restoration work.

Besides, we may just end up with restoration methods that employ laser
technology rather than nanotechnology. But in either case I think you
would want your patient to be above cryogenic temperatures during the
process.


-- 
Money isn't speech.
A Corporation isn't a person.
http://www.movetoamend.org/

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Message #33032
References: <[email protected]>
From: Gerald Monroe <[email protected]>
Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2010 08:54:09 -0500
Subject: Re: CryoNet #33027 - #33030

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>   Neither a desktop nanofactory nor glucose
> oxidation can adequately explain how
> untethered nanobots could operate at
> cryogenic temperatures.
>
> We don't need untethered nanobots to bring back the cryonically frozen
patients.  In fact it might not even be possible within the laws of physics
for untethered nanobots to do the job, because the machinery will probably
require a large amount of energy and coolant to remove waste heat.  The
assumption is that a cryonically frozen brain will need to be torn down and
rebuilt at the atomic level.

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Message #33033
Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2010 14:55:21 +0100 (CET)
From: [email protected]
References: <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: #33029: Molecular Nanotech: implementation questions [Mik...

Sure, scientists and experts in physics, chemistry, etc., already thought about a truly massive production out of molecular assembler design. They did the math. After this, leading managers will make important determinations with the general proposals deriving from research.

Yet, economists couldn't tell in simple words, so I'm only guessing that managers in any greater financial institute including those in Arabia, China, and the Vatican are soon beginning to think about how to finance something. Managers will be decades ahead before average mass market consumers can be gaining the intelligence to think enough about this tiny manufacturing tool too. 

Some thinking from consumers like me is going to be artificially enhanced and corrected by a highly secure nanocomputer grid inside a submarine data center using natural water cooling and waste power retrieval due to new inventions like a voltage between hot and cold electrodes generated by electron waves traveling along chains of benzene rings.

Perhaps a few decades later, the masses of commercial software consumers will be printing out home-made single-chip computers including Terabytes of RAM and hundreds of CPU cores for parallel processing. Banks need them first, just for the many trillions of financial payments any of them will transact with this powerful picotech precursor.

When individual managers have gained their deserved earnings in highly profitable quantities while beginning to think about picotech, various end-consumer groups might already buy molecular assembler design while I'm not even needed to ask them for. This will just happen, also when I'm not with them anymore, don't you think so?

> 
> Message #33029
> Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2010 12:19:09 -0700
> From: Mike Perry <[email protected]>
> Subject: Molecular Nanotech: implementation questions
> References: <[email protected]>
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> basically, has anyone tried to seriously think about how you would, 
> in step-by-step fashion, go about getting from where we are now to 
> the scenarios of Drexler and/or Freitas? Has anyone attempted to 
> start down this path? If so, what obstacles did they encounter, etc.?
> 
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Message #33034
References: <[email protected]>
Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2010 12:13:28 -0700 (PDT)
From: Luke Parrish <[email protected]>
Subject: Nanocryotech

Ben Best wrote:
>    Neither a desktop nanofactory  nor glucose
> oxidation can adequately explain how
> untethered nanobots could  operate at
> cryogenic temperatures.

Given that the biggest successes in atomic precision
mechanosynthesis seem to involve cryogenic temperatures
(Wikipedia - Mechanosynthesis: http://bit.ly/bxM3ff),
my guess is that cryogenic conditions are actually
helpful where atomic-precision factory-style nanotech
is concerned.

My thought is that this sort of nanotech would not be
untethered or free-swimming. Life is adapted to warm,
wet, uncontrolled conditions, so it wouldn't be the
best model here. In fact, if existing accomplishments
are our model, it may require a flat surface and/or a
hard vacuum to work from.

So one of the more plausible scenarios in my opinion
is that the tissue will first be sliced into a set of
very thin, flat-surfaced wafers prior to the
nanorepair surgery. The surfaces would be coated with
the necessary nanoscale equipment, including a power
grid and probes capable of reaching into cells and
performing complex repairs.

The surfaces would then be prepared for re-adhesion 
at the necessary points. Fine structures like
dendrites and capillaries would need to be aligned
in a manner that permits them to be reconnected
precisely, to avoid any damage upon thawing.

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Message #33035
Date: Sat, 6 Nov 2010 07:13:31 +0100
Subject: This is the next facebook
From: Jonano <[email protected]>

This web site wont become as populous as facebook but might become as
essential to life as facebook, with people who wants to start from the
bottom up like warren buffet did:

http://www.acquizition.biz/home/index.jsp?&&lang=en

If this is what Buffet did, starting to buy chain stores, stores etc..

I could do the same web site but for international countries, if there
is not site like that already. Which I suspect.

--Jon

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