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CryoNet - Mon 10 Jan 2011

    #33201: Life is real [=?UTF-8?Q?Jonathan_Despr=C3=A9s?=]
    #33202: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Where_is_the_risk_higher=3F_Wobei_ist_das_Risi... [Jens Rabis]
    #33203: better cryonics protection? [david pizer]
    #33204: Re: [venturist_directors - special messages] better cryonics ... [david pizer]
    #33205: Re: "John Gray on humanity's quest for immortality" [James Swayze]

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Message #33201
Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2011 11:27:24 +0100
Subject: Life is real
From: =?UTF-8?Q?Jonathan_Despr=C3=A9s?= <[email protected]>

Look at this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SK5PX_-a7kI

and after this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NuQXS-AP_to

To feel how life is real...

--Jon

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Message #33202
From: "Jens Rabis" <[email protected]>
Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Where_is_the_risk_higher=3F_Wobei_ist_das_Risi...
Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2011 16:23:56 +0100

Hi Cryonauts,

... as you slow down even the smallest motion? By strong cooling! Processes
that require milliseconds (like life and death), now require billions of
years. That all we know. However it is often ignored or forgotten in
everyday life. They are afraid of the long freeze on our crazy Earth?
Alternative: 

Then fly with friends / family with approximate speed of light. Sorry, we
need to freeze us to experience this fly technology yet.

Quote (translate in English):"By Hartwig Hausdorf you can read in his book
"Die weiBe Pyramide" (page 143 of Knaur paperback edition of 1996) the
following statement: ...
Only Albert Einstein (1879-1955) described in his in 1905 established
special relativity theory, the impact of a space flight with the speed of
light ...

10 years in spaceship = 25 years on earth
15 years in spaceship = 80 years on earth
20 years in spaceship = 270 years on earth
25 years in spaceship = 910 years on earth
30 years in spaceship = 3100 years on earth
35 years in spaceship = 10600 years on earth

"End of quote, Source:
http://forum.grenzwissen.de/showthread.php?p=6761#post6761

Now my questions: "Where is the risk higher? Frozen 30 years fly in
spaceship or 3100 years frozen on earth? What's faster in the future? Fly
with the speed of light or a good Reanimations technology for frozen?"

*****

... wie verlangsamt man selbst kleinste Bewegungen? Indem man stark abkuhlt!
Prozesse welche vorher in Millisekunden erfolgten (wie das Leben und
Sterben) benotigen plotzlich Milliarden Jahre. Das alles wissen wir.
Allerdings wird es gern ignoriert oder im Alltag vergessen. Sie haben Angst
vor dem langen Einfrieren auf unserer verruckten Erde? Alternative: 
Dann fliegen Sie mit Freunden/Familie bei annahernder Lichtgeschwindigkeit.
Leider mussen wir uns einfrieren, um diese Flug-Technologie noch zu erleben.

Zitat: ,Bei Hartwig Hausdorf kann man in seinem Buch "Die weiBe Pyramide"
(Seite 143 der Knaur-Taschenbuchausgabe von 1996) folgende Rechnung lesen:
...
Erst Albert Einstein (1879-1955) beschrieb in seiner im Jahre 1905
aufgestellten Speziellen Relativitatstheorie die Auswirkungen, die ein
Raumflug mit annahernder Lichtgeschwindigkeit ...

10 Jahre im Raumschiff = 25 Jahre auf der Erde
15 Jahre im Raumschiff = 80 Jahre auf der Erde
20 Jahre im Raumschiff = 270 Jahre auf der Erde
25 Jahre im Raumschiff = 910 Jahre auf der Erde
30 Jahre im Raumschiff = 3100 Jahre auf der Erde
35 Jahre im Raumschiff = 10600 Jahre auf der Erde

Zitat Ende" Quelle:
http://forum.grenzwissen.de/showthread.php?p=6761#post6761

Nun meine Fragen: Wobei ist das Risiko hoher? Eingefroren 30 Jahre im
Raumschiff unterwegs oder 3100 Jahre eingefroren auf der Erde?
Was kommt schneller in Zukunft? Fliegen mit Lichtgeschwindigkeit oder eine
gute Reanimations-Technologie fur Eingefrorene?

Best Greetings
Jens Rabis
Berlin-Germany

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Message #33203
Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2011 14:01:12 -0800 (PST)
From: david pizer <[email protected]>
Subject: better cryonics protection?

Why don't we add a step in the overall cryonics preparation and storage procedure such as putting the patient in some form of shrink wrap when we store them?

It seems that putting the patient in the protection of shrink wrap would increase the protection if it was done as quickly as possible along with everything else we now do.

David Pizer

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Message #33204
Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2011 17:00:12 -0800 (PST)
From: david pizer <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [venturist_directors - special messages] better cryonics ...

Hi Mike 

When you put a piece of meat in shrink wrap, even at room temperature, it keeps much better and longer then meat that the air circulates around.  Shrink wrap can keep meat at room temperature for very long times.  It might be the case that shrink wrap and cold from just an electric freezer might keep things better than we do now.  
 
go into a grocery store and look for meat (like beef jerky) near the check out counter (not even refrigerated).  It keeps for years.
 
This really needs to be checked out.  It just might lead to a protocol that can be done better then we do now and no need for liquid nitrogen?  That would mean you could use some kind of perfusion, shrink wrap, then store in Alaska in the permafrost.
 
David

--- On Sun, 1/9/11, Mike Perry <[email protected]> wrote:


From: Mike Perry <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [venturist_directors - special messages] better cryonics ...
To: [email protected], [email protected]
Date: Sunday, January 9, 2011, 11:41 PM


  



What we now do for whole bodies is to put them in sleeping bags (with the head in a neurocan inside). For neuros they are put in a cover with a draw string, then put in a can lined with dacron wool, with a lid that is wired on.

Mike

At 15:01 2011-01-09, david pizer wrote:


  

Why don't we add a step in the overall cryonics preparation and storage procedure such as putting the patient in some form of shrink wrap when we store them?

It seems that putting the patient in the protection of shrink wrap would increase the protection if it was done as quickly as possible along with everything else we now do.

David Pizer




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Message #33205
From: "James Swayze" <[email protected]>
References: <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: "John Gray on humanity's quest for immortality"
Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2011 23:42:03 -0800

I really detest people like this John Gray that never really learn enough 
about what they pontificate about and recommend as proper for everyone to 
do, such as in this case relinquish life extension technology because he 
thinks it's not good for us but maybe ok for future generations. See my 
comment on the article below mark's post.

From: "CryoNet" <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2011 02:00
To: <[email protected]>
Subject: CryoNet #33200

> CryoNet - Sun 9 Jan 2011
>
>    #33200: "John Gray on humanity's quest for immortality" [MARK PLUS]
> Message #33200
> Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2011 07:48:46 -0700
> Subject: "John Gray on humanity's quest for immortality"
> From: MARK PLUS <[email protected]>
>
> http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2011/jan/08/john-gray-immortality
>
> --
> Mark Plus
> Life is short: Freeze hard!

My comment on this article and towards some of those commenting:

9 January 2011 10:21PM
John Gray and everyone else asking inane questions like, "Why'd you want to 
live forever?" or saying, "a really long life would get boring", well you 
all get my nomination for the Extreme Darwin Award. This means whether 
you've reproduced or not you are ignorant enough to pass up the chance to 
see your great^nth grand kids and aid their starts in life in a wonderful 
new world to come.

Why wonderful? Because of the obvious trend always for the better. We live a 
whole lot better now than at any time previously in history despite 24/7/365 
it bleeds it leads news coverage highlighting the worst around the entire 
planet. Statistically we live in the most peaceful per capita time ever. 
Crime rates have never been this low. Doubters to this need to realize 100 
years ago you'd likely never hear of a tsunami half way around the world 
from you and its high death toll or the latest earthquakes that happen all 
the time and have always done so. So you are brain washing yourselves into 
doom and gloom think. Get the real facts!

Now let's be clear "Forever" is just shorthand for indeterminate life span 
where you choose how long to live or maybe a catastrophe personal or public 
does. We in the life extension movement have answered all the niggling 
little unimaginative or ignorant questions about overpopulation and getting 
out of the way for the next generations and ooh what about the environment?, 
quite satisfactorily for anyone paying close attention. I won't go into all 
of them here but the naysayers should get off their couches and posteriors 
and learn what Accelerating Returns, which by the way extends far beyond 
computer chips, really means for yourself instead of buying this mouth 
piece's load of male bovine excrement.

Here's a little something for everyone's edification. When the governments, 
this one being the US, get the point enough to go public with their 
findings, then it's not hubris and wishful thinking anymore. Check this 
link: http://bit.ly/g4UhJ7

Furthermore, suffice to say if you think a really long youthful and 
energetic life span will get boring then you haven't the intellect to even 
appreciate the concept. Therefore please don't take advantage of coming 
therapies to extend your life and rejuvenate your health and youth because 
frankly we don't need you dragging us down.

So Gray, you are officially not invited to the grandest thing to ever happen 
to humanity ever.


James Swayze 

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