CryoNet #33265 - #33269

CryoNet - Mon 24 Jan 2011

    #33265: Professor Ulrich Kutschera - shock-freeze a living person ...... [Jens Rabis]
    #33266: Why not have a mammoth? [oberon]
    #33267: Re: Why not have a mammoth? [un person]
    #33268: Re: CryoNet #33263 - #33264 [Gerald Monroe]
    #33269: Pareto's cryonics filter [MARK PLUS]

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Message #33265
From: "Jens Rabis" <[email protected]>
Subject: Professor Ulrich Kutschera - shock-freeze a living person ......
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 13:41:05 +0100

Hi cryonauts,

Quote: "... Ulrich Kutschera. The renowned professor of evolutionary biology
at the University of Kassel and at Stanford (USA) is familiar with the
cryo-preservation of living beings - it is part of his daily business as a
researcher ...
Who dies of old age, and remains dead "Even if a person can be conserved
then accordingly - can revitalize the dead are no longer ."...
 Is feasible from a scientific point of view only that shock-freeze a living
person leave. This could to thaw after a few centuries back and reanimate.
"Provided, of course, would have the appropriate technology for this,
"restricts Kutschera. 
The, he says, but it will probably be in 20 to 30 years ..." End of Quote,
http://www.n-tv.de/wissen/Der-Tod-eine-ueberwindbare-Grenze-article2403861.h
tml

Comment: Perhaps cryonics is still medically relevant (our dream
destination.) Paid by health insurance :-)

****

Zitat: "... Ulrich Kutschera. Der renommierte Professor fur
Evolutionsbiologie an der Universitat Kassel und in Stanford (USA) kennt
sich aus mit dem Kryo-Konservieren von Lebewesen - es gehort zu seinem
Alltagsgeschaft als Forscher ...
Wer an Altersschwache stirbt, ist und bleibt tot. "Selbst wenn der Mensch
sich dann entsprechend konservieren lasst - revitalisieren lasst der Tote
sich dann nicht mehr."...
Denkbar sei aus wissenschaftlicher Sicht lediglich, dass sich ein lebender
Mensch schockgefrieren lasse. Diesen konne man dann nach einigen
Jahrhunderten wieder auftauen und reanimieren. "Vorausgesetzt naturlich, 
es gibt die entsprechende Technik dazu", schrankt Kutschera ein. Die, so
sagt er, werde es jedoch in vermutlich 20 bis 30 Jahren geben ... " Zitat
Ende., Quelle:
http://www.n-tv.de/wissen/Der-Tod-eine-ueberwindbare-Grenze-article2403861.h
tml


Kommentar: Vielleicht wird Kryonik doch noch medizinisch relevant (unser
Traumziel). Bezahlt von den Krankenkassen :-)


Best greetings
Jens Rabis
Germany-Berlin
" The time is with us, we can ... more! Life is for my ... curiosity :-) "

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Message #33266
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 06:25:58 -0800 (PST)
From: [email protected]
Subject: Why not have a mammoth?

The Globe and Mail
MICHAEL KESTERTON
Last updated Thursday, Jan. 13, 2011

Why not have a mammoth?
The woolly mammoth, extinct for thousands of years, could be brought back to life in as little as four years, thanks to a breakthrough in cloning technology, says The Daily Telegraph. "Previous efforts in the 1990s to recover nuclei in cells from the skin and muscle tissue from mammoths found in the Siberian permafrost failed because they had been too badly damaged by the extreme cold. But a technique pioneered in 2008 by Dr. Teruhiko Wakayama of the Riken Centre for Developmental Biology, was successful in cloning a mouse from the cells of another mouse that had been frozen for 16 years. Now that hurdle has been overcome, Akira Iritani, a professor at Kyoto University, is reactivating his campaign to resurrect the species that died out 5,000 years ago."

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Message #33267
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 10:28:19 -0800 (PST)
From: un person <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Why not have a mammoth?

someone asked "Why not have a mammoth?"

Can I just get a Coke and fries, instead?

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Message #33268
References: <[email protected]>
From: Gerald Monroe <[email protected]>
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 15:27:57 -0600
Subject: Re: CryoNet #33263 - #33264

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Melody Maxim : have you read any of Mike's case reports?  I have.  He works
his ass off, and he does the best he possibly can with the equipment and
knowledge available to him.  If you think you are a better perfusionist,
then help him!  You're not helping the cause of cryonics by pointing the
finger of blame.

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Message #33269
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 18:43:07 -0700
Subject: Pareto's cryonics filter
From: MARK PLUS <[email protected]>

The Edge Question for 2011 asks:

WHAT SCIENTIFIC CONCEPT WOULD IMPROVE EVERYBODY'S COGNITIVE TOOLKIT?

One of the essays offers the Pareto Principle as an answer:

http://www.edge.org/q2011/q11_6.html#shirky

"You see the pattern everywhere: the top 1% of the population control
35% of the wealth. On Twitter, the top 2% of users send 60% of the
messages. In the health care system, the treatment for the most
expensive fifth of patients create four-fifths of the overall cost.
These figures are always reported as shocking, as if the normal order
of things has been disrupted, as if the appearance of anything other
than a completely linear distribution of money, or messages, or
effort, is a surprise of the highest order.

"It's not. Or rather, it shouldn't be.

"The Italian economist Vilfredo Pareto undertook a study of market
economies a century ago, and discovered that no matter what the
country, the richest quintile of the population controlled most of the
wealth. The effects of this Pareto Distribution go by many names - the
80/20 Rule, Zipfs Law, the Power Law distribution, Winner-Take-All -
but the basic shape of the underlying distribution is always the same:
the richest or busiest or most connected participants in a system will
account for much much more wealth, or activity, or connectedness than
average."

In other words, the Pareto Principle suggests that 20 percent of the
population could supply 80 percent of the candidates for growth in
cryonics. Given our scarce resources, we should identify and target
this 20 percent of the population, based on a characteristic which
makes them more receptive than average to the cryonics idea, and
ignore the rest.

This principle suggests other areas to investigate in cryonics. Do 20
percent of suspensions generate 80 percent of the costs, for example?



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Mark Plus
Life is short: Freeze hard!

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