CryoNet #33410 - #33415
CryoNet <[email protected]> 3 Mar 2011 10:00:01 -0000
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CryoNet - Thu 3 Mar 2011
#33410: Fwd: Cryonics book [Kennita Watson]
#33411: Re: Passive and active euthanasia [John de Rivaz]
#33412: more on uploading [Ettinger]
#33413: hostile legislation on the way? [MARK PLUS]
#33414: for Monroe [Ettinger]
#33415: Re: Open letter to the cryonics community [David Stodolsky]
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Message #33410
From: Kennita Watson <[email protected]>
Subject: Fwd: Cryonics book
Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2011 02:42:05 -0800
References: <[email protected]>
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Marta et al.:
While editing may not be "the problem", it is _a_ problem, and the one I consider myself best qualified to solve. That said, there are *lots* of potential problems, and lumping them all together into "writing it AND getting it published" isa great way to cow oneself into total deer-in-the-headlights paralysis.
What would be pros and cons of writing the book as a group effort?
What publisher(s) would one approach?
What about self-publishing?
What would be some attributes of a "strong pro-cryonic book"?
Given the subject matter of the book, wouldn't having the book signing publicity tour be based around cryonics go without saying?
Live long and prosper,
Kennita
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> From: marta sandberg <[email protected]>
> Date: March 2, 2011 12:14:04 AM PST
> To: Kennita Watson <[email protected]>
> Subject: RE: CryoNet #33352 - #33357
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> Dear Kennita,
>
> Thank you for your kind offer, but I doubt that it is editing a book that is the problem. I would say writing it AND getting it published would be the biggest hurdle. However, it would be nice to have a strong pro-cryonic book and a book signing publicity tour based around cryonics
>
> Long life,
>
> Marta
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>
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Message #33411
From: "John de Rivaz" <[email protected]>
References: <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Passive and active euthanasia
Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2011 10:44:53 -0000
The attitudes of various religions to the question
>>
What is the religious attitude to members of the faith who, if faced with an
unpleasant
hospital procedure to extend their lives, decided to just lie down and die
to get to heaven
more quickly?
<<<
are discussed in
http://www.cryonics-europe.org/religion_and_death.pdf
(please use underscores in religion_and_death and all lower case if copying
the link)
--
Sincerely, John de Rivaz: http://John.deRivaz.com for websites including
Cryonics Europe, Longevity Report, The Venturists, Porthtowan, Alec Harley
Reeves - inventor, Arthur Bowker - potter, de Rivaz genealogy, Nomad .. and
more
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Message #33407
From: marta sandberg <[email protected]>
Subject: Passive and active euthanasia
Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2011 15:49:11 +0800
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I can disconnect myself form life support equipment whilst knowing it will
kill me; refuse dialysis and let my body's poison kill me; I can refuse to
take insulin even if that is the only thing that keep me alive; I can even
refuse to drink or eat even when I am perfectly healthy until I thirst to
death. All of this is OK as long as I know what I am doing and I am of a
sound mind. If anyone tries to stop me - inject me with insulin or force
feed me - then I can call on the police and they must protect me from those
who wants to keep me alive.
All of this is passive euthanasia.
<del>
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Message #33412
From: [email protected]
Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2011 11:47:54 -0500 (EST)
Subject: more on uploading
Mike Perry says that a simulation of a computation is a computation, and
not unimportant. I say it is unimportant in the same sense that a copy of a
map is unimportant--not really affecting the general rule that a
description of a thing is not that thing.
As to quantum computation, there are many unanswered questions.
As to the suggested universal character of symbolism, that also remains
speculation. Not that I'm against speculation, but it needs to be kept in
perspective. And never forget that the symbolism is CODED, requiring
interpretation. In general, a set of symbols does not have a unique interpretation.
Bob
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Message #33413
Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2011 09:51:56 -0700
Subject: hostile legislation on the way?
From: MARK PLUS <[email protected]>
http://forum.rickross.com/read.php?12,64749,98188#msg-98188
QUOTE:
Mike is not very well and hasn't been for many years - recently i have
been researching his career and will be updating my website very soon.
(Not the nicest research i have done)
I am actually grateful mike lost it and declared war on his critics as
it made me realise how half assed I was doing things by just ranting -
it may seem quiet but things are moving along behind the scenes and
2011 is going to be a bad year for cryonics fanatics.
Mel is quite right about making our web efforts more professional and
organised - I am also trying to put together the info i found into a
book and make lawmakers aware.
Personally i think we are obserivng the last crys from a very damaged
cryonics industry before it dies completely. In 10 years i think there
will be a few dewars around but no active companies once regulation
hits them. Thres no conspiracy i suspect to make cryonics a billion $
industry - its too shabby and the companies left are barely keeping
themselves afloat let alone in LN2 - Chatsworth 21st century style is
on the cards and once regulatory officials look at these cryonics
firms properly they will shut them down and prosecute the organisers.
This will take time though and it could be a couple of years before
this really starts happenning - to change laws takes a long time and
lots of campaigning.
Mikes unhappy because at a very young he chose the wrong path and
dedicated his life to cryonics. Now in his 50's and not actively
working he vents his fustration on his critics (persocution complex)
instead. The problem is (and Mike knows this) it is Mikes OWN FAULT he
fucked up cryonics by breaking the rules and abusing his position.
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Message #33414
From: [email protected]
Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2011 11:55:14 -0500 (EST)
Subject: for Monroe
Gerald Monroe wrote in part:
>Robert Ettinger, I am not talking about a digital computer and I never
was.
>I am saying that electronic analogues of neurons, printed into a massive
>cube that mirrors precisely the configuration of the brain you start with,
>should have the same emergent properties the brain has, but with greater
>fidelity and stupendously quicker performance.
It doesn't follow.
R.E.
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Message #33415
Subject: Re: Open letter to the cryonics community
From: David Stodolsky <[email protected]>
Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2011 20:09:20 +0100
References: <[email protected]>
On 2 Mar 2011, at 11:00 AM, CryoNet wrote:
> I don't know about Alcor, but CI is growing as a slow but steady pace.
This is a misinterpretation of the data. CI's has a flat absolute number of new members yearly, which is a decreasing growth rate. In recent years, Alcor's membership has been almost constant, which corresponds to a zero growth rate.
Population growth is explained here:
http://www.ehow.com/how_4532706_calculate-growth-rate-percent-change.html
http://www.arachnoid.com/lutusp/populati.html
> It is true we could have done better and every time somebody dies without having properly considered the cryonic alternative I feel a great loss and I often wonder why so few people join us.
The reasons for this are clear from the analysis I posted to this List earlier. In the final analysis, it results from a profound inability to apply the most basic principles of marketing science.
dss
David Stodolsky
[email protected] Skype/Twitter: davidstodolsky
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