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Erich
This is fascinating. I do remember John Clute told me he read Dhalgren in
its original dyslexic manuscript and I believe Delany was staying with him
(or nearby) in his Camden Town flat. And I had the impression Joanna Russ
lived there too in the early seventies. I'm sorry this is too vague but it
might prompt more solid remembrances from other readers. And you have
prompted me to unearth the book again. It will be, I fear, for me a
thirty-year reunion.
Take care
Paul Brazier
On Saturday, 9 July 2016, Erich Schneider [email protected]
[delany-list] <[email protected]> wrote:
> I am reading *Dhalgren* again for the first time in about ten years.
> My experience is different each time; for example, since my last
> reading I have moved to San Francisco, and Joaquim Faust's
> statement that he "sold the *Tribe* on the corner of Market and Van
> Ness" now means more to me.
>
> But another discovery I made on this most recent reading: when Kidd
> visits Tak's penthouse for the first time, he notes science fiction
> novels in Tak's library, by Disch, Zelazny, and Russ, the latter being
> "something called *The Female Man*. Looking it up, I learned that *The
> Female Man* had not been published when *Dhalgren* was written or went
> to press; *Dhalgren* was published in January, 1975, while *The Female
> Man* was published in February of 1975 (and was also a "Frederik Pohl
> Selection" of Bantam Books). I can only imagine what *Dhalgren*'s
> original readers experienced when they first read of this nonexistent
> work by Russ, only to have it appear for the first time a short while
> later! It must've added to the sense of *Dhalgren* being set in the
> indeterminately near future.
>
> (To those of you who have not done so already, I recommend finding
> Russ's short story "A Game of Vlet" in her collection _The Zanzibar
> Cat_, to see how it inspired vlet as depicted in _Trouble on Triton_.)
>
> --
> Erich Schneider [email protected] <javascript:;>
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Erich<div>This is fascinating.=C2=A0I do remember John Clute told me he rea=
d Dhalgren in its original dyslexic manuscript and I believe Delany was sta=
ying with=C2=A0him (or nearby) in his Camden Town flat. And I had the impre=
ssion Joanna Russ lived there too in the early seventies. I'm sorry thi=
s is too vague but it might prompt more solid remembrances from other reade=
rs. And you have prompted me to unearth the book again. It will be, I fear,=
=C2=A0for me a thirty-year reunion.</div><div><br></div><div>Take care</div=
><div><br></div><div>Paul Brazier<br><br>On Saturday, 9 July 2016, Erich Sc=
hneider <a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]=
u</a> [delany-list] <<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">dela=
[email protected]</a>> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote"=
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am reading *Dhalgren* again for the first time in about ten years.<br>
My experience is different each time; for example, since my last<br>
reading I have moved to San Francisco, and Joaquim Faust's<br>
statement that he "sold the *Tribe* on the corner of Market and Van<br=
>
Ness" now means more to me.<br>
<br>
But another discovery I made on this most recent reading: when Kidd<br>
visits Tak's penthouse for the first time, he notes science fiction<br>
novels in Tak's library, by Disch, Zelazny, and Russ, the latter being<=
br>
"something called *The Female Man*. Looking it up, I learned that *The=
<br>
Female Man* had not been published when *Dhalgren* was written or went<br>
to press; *Dhalgren* was published in January, 1975, while *The Female<br>
Man* was published in February of 1975 (and was also a "Frederik Pohl<=
br>
Selection" of Bantam Books). I can only imagine what *Dhalgren*'s<=
br>
original readers experienced when they first read of this nonexistent<br>
work by Russ, only to have it appear for the first time a short while<br>
later! It must've added to the sense of *Dhalgren* being set in the<br>
indeterminately near future.<br>
<br>
(To those of you who have not done so already, I recommend finding<br>
Russ's short story "A Game of Vlet" in her collection _The Za=
nzibar<br>
Cat_, to see how it inspired vlet as depicted in _Trouble on Triton_.)<br>
<br>
--<br>
Erich Schneider=C2=A0 <a href=3D"javascript:;" onclick=3D"_e(event, 'cv=
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