Re: SFGR no more?
George Kalemis <[email protected]>
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Γáóôá÷þò Γ₯ãþ Ñðü ΓͺΓðïéÑ ΓͺÑôÑóôñïâà ÀΓΓ³ΓͺΓ―Γ΅ ΓΓ·ΓΉ Γ·ΓΓ³Γ₯Γ© ΓͺΓðïéÑ Ññ÷Γ₯ΓΓ‘ ôïá ðÑñΓ₯ëèüΓôïò. ΓΓͺΓâôïìÑé üôé ôüôΓ₯ ðïëëΓΓ² ΓΆΓ―Γ±ΓΓ² ΓͺïáñÑæüìïáà ΓΓ‘ ôÑ ÀéÑÒΓæù, Ñëëà ôþñÑ ôÑ Γ‘ΓÑðïëþ. Michael Papagermanos wrote: > > This message has been processed by Symantec's AntiVirus Technology. > > Unknown00000000.data was not scanned for viruses because too many > nested levels of files were found. > > For more information on antivirus tips and technology, visit > http://ses.symantec.com/ <http://ses.symantec.com/> > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: > Re: [SFGR] SFGR no more? > From: > Michael Papagermanos <[email protected]> > Date: > Tue, 01 May 2007 01:32:19 -0500 > To: > [email protected] > > To: > [email protected] > > > Mou loipoun ekeines oi epoxes. Ax! Ta exo kai ego afta ta arxia. > > Mixalis. > > > Demetrius Kiminas wrote: >> (TM). >> >> Giati na min to kano kai tora loipon? Epidi meta tha arxisoun oi kravges >> 'off-topic', >> kai ta minimata tou styl 'mou floudarete to mailbox mou kyrie Kimina', kai >> ta requests >> 'parakalo sviste me apo ti lista' apo aftous pou exoun graftei stin lista >> gia na lamvanoun >> 7 minimata to mina anti gia 552, kai meta o listarxos tha me petaksei ekso >> apo ti lista >> kai meta tha prepei na kano ena soro tricks gia na ksanampo stin lista ek >> tis opisthias >> odou (!), klp, klp... >> >> Ax, ekeines tis epoxes imastan maximoi Georgie, tora zoyme meres parakmis... >> >> ====================================================== >> >> Pantos to thryliko dispute kat'eme (to opoio fylao se ksexoristo folder sto >> Outlook mou mexri simera, elave xora tin periodo Fevrouariou/Martiou 2000). >> >> Xaraktiristika subjects : >> >> It's Logic >> Erotimata Logikis kai oxi pistis >> Petradaki Petradaki >> It's NOT Logic >> The End >> The End. Am de! >> Telos Epoxis >> Flamewars >> Apantisi sta 123 grammata pou mou irthane >> The -final -end >> Logika >> Tha elega >> Eksogiinoi, Thriskia kai Ithiki >> Life? >> Den tha elega >> O.S.F.N.2 >> Androylakis >> AAAAAARRRRRGGGGHHHHHHH!!!! >> Trollbound >> >> Elavan meros: Dimitris Kiminas, Panagiotis Andriopoulos, George Schizas, >> George Menegakis, Manolis Manolas, C. Voulgaris, Stratari, G.P.Kalogiannis, >> thAAAnos, Vangelis Kritikos, Dimitris Tsallas, Theodore Georgakopoulos, >> Tom Tziros, morgana, morpheus, Argyreas Thomas, Petros Avlitis, Dendris >> Nikolaos. >> >> Prosklitirio! Posoi apo esas eiste akoma edo? >> >> Xaraktiristika quotes (filed under the 'ti mou thymises tora' category): >> >> >> Kala, tote ksekinousa ena flame war me ena single post typou >> 'arximandritis' >>> Vangelis Kritikos wrote: >>> >>>> De niotheis pragmatika poly-poly tyxeros poy ETYXE na genhtheis sth >>>> SOSTH >>>> xora, sto SOSTO politistiko periballon, etsi oste na exeis thn eykairia >>>> na >>>> matheis thn monh SOSTH kai APOLYTH alhtheia, protou molyntheis me alles >>>> LATHOS alhtheies; >>>> >> >> Dimitris Kiminas: >> Ean mia Thriskeia apo oles tis Thriskeies toy kosmoy einai sosti, aftoi poy >> gennithikan sti SOSTI xora einai pragmati tyxeroi. Ti soy fainetai >> parakseno? >> >> ----------------- >> >> From: George M. Menegakis <[email protected]> >> >>> Nai gia emena einai to idio. Egw den xreiazomai dhmiourgo. Esy pou >>> ton >>> xreiazesai to exeis. Got it ?? >>> >> >> Dimitris Kiminas: >> To an Ton xreiazesai i den Ton xreiazesai einai irrelevant. >> >> ------------------ >> >> From: G.P. Kalogiannis <[email protected]> >> >>> oxi, yparxei h akolouthia AITO-ENERGEIA-ALLAGH. >>> otan h xlwrofyllh allazei apo to fws tou hliou, den xreiazetai "theia" >>> parembash, ths >>> arkei h hliakh energeia. >>> esy bebaia tha peis oti "ma o Hlios einai ftagmenos apo ton Theo" >>> kai tha sou apanthsw: OXI, o hlios einai mia AYTOTROFODOTOUMENH pyrhnikh >>> kaysh pou >>> prokaleitai apo thn megalh sygkentrwsh mazas. >>> kai tha peis "ma thn ylh thn eftiaxe o Theos" >>> kai tha sou apanthsw oti "h ylh einai ftiagmenh apo swmatidia, gia ta >>> opoia yparxei mia >>> sygkekrimenh sxesh mazas-energeias (to gnwsto E=mc2)" >>> kai tha mou peis "kai thn energeia poios thn eftiaxe" >>> kai tha sou pw: h energeia yphrxe (sto "kosmiko aygo"). >>> kai tha mou peis "ma tote h Energeia einai o Theos" >>> >>> tote tha akouseis ena megaleiwdes sixtirisma... >>> >> >> Dimitris Kiminas: >> Kai to kosmiko avgo poios to eftiakse? >> >> ------------ >> >> Dimitris Kiminas: >> >>> Kai to kosmiko avgo poios to eftiakse? >>> >> >> George Schizas: >> H kosmikh kota? :) Opws _ksanaeipa_ h anagwgh pros ta pisw sto apeiro den >> einai kati pou antibainei tous kanones ths logikhs. To an yparxei kati sthn >> arxh tou apeirou h oxi einai kathara thema pisths. >> >> ------------ >> >> Manolas Manolis wrote: >> Den ta les sosta Dimitri. >> To erotima ine "Mpori o 8eos na ari tin pantodinamia tou?" >> I apantisi ine "Mpori". Afou den 8a ine pantodinamos pleon, den 8a >> mpori na "sikosi petres" opos lei to sofisma. >> (To an 8eli i an den 8eli na tis sikosi den ehi pleon noima). >> Ego pantos, an imouna sti 8esi tou (os pansofos) den 8a dehomouna >> na aro tin pantodinamia mou, oso ki an epimeni o GMM. >> >> From: "George M. Menegakis" >> Synepws gia na einai pantodynamos tha prepei na arei thn pantodynamia >> tou. >> To problhma einai pws afou einai PANTODYNAMOS (dhladh mporei na kanei >> TA >> PANTA) tha eprepe na mporei na einai pantodynamos XWRIS na arei >> thn >> pantodynamia tou. >> >> ---------- >> >> From: Vangelis Kritikos <[email protected]> >> >>> Nai. Einai, oso kai an sou fenetai xazo. Fainetai apithano na broume >>> stroumfakia, alla de mporoume na to apokleisoume. To ennoo. >>> Vangelis >>> >> >> Dimitris Kiminas: >> Oi Atheoi omos apokleioyn tin Yparksi Theoy kai emfanizoyn kai >> toys eaftoys toys os APOLYTA logikoys. >> >> ----------------- >> >> From: Panayiotis Andriopoulos <[email protected]> >> Mia alli apantisi (anef kikirikoy) dino sto [reply 6/9] >> >> ----------- >> >> From: Dimitris Kiminas >> >>> Eisai me ta kala soy? Gia na piaso na soy eksigo gramm-grammi tin Agia >>> Grafi tha xreiasto xronia!!! >>> >> >> From: Vangelis Kritikos <[email protected]> >> >>> A, kala, de to skefthka sygnommh. >>> >> >> ----------- >> George Schizas/Dimitris Kiminas >> >> Anagontas tin Allagi se kapoia proigoymeni Allagi, tha meneis panta me mia >> Allagi poy tha prepei na eksigiseis. Kati poy me olo afto to sylogismo >> prospathoyme na apofygoyme. >> >> >>> To oti o peperasmenos nous mas den mporei na to syllabei, den >>> shmainei oti den einai dynato. >>> >> >> Opote, kai to oti o peperasmenos nous mas den mporei na syllabei epakrivos >> tin ennoia toy Theoy, episis den simainei oti Aytos den yparxei. >> >> >>> To an pisteueis sto Theo h oxi einai kathara thema pisths. Mporeis na >>> *pisteueis* oti yparxei Theos, den mporeis na to *ksereis*. Poly >>> perissotero >>> den mporeis na *ksereis* oti oi alles thrhskeies einai lathos kai mono h >>> dikia mas einai swsth. Mporei na to *pisteueis* alla den mporeis na to >>> *apodeikseis*, den mporeis na to *ksereis*. >>> >> >> To mono poy prospatho na kano edo einai na po oti einai *Logiko* na yparxei >> Theos. Apo kei kai pera ego Pistevo oti yparxei Theos. Einai fysiko oti den >> mporo na apodeikso oti yparxei. Afto den simainei oti enas Atheos einai se >> kalyteri thesi apo emena. Mallon se xeiroteri. Giati parolo poy yparxoyn >> pithanotites na apodeixthei i yparki toy Theoy sto Mellon, den yparxei >> KAMMIA pithanotita na apodeixthei i anyparksia toy. >> >> ----------- >> >> From: Panayiotis Andriopoulos <[email protected]> >> Egw kserw oti kolash thewreitai h apousia toy theou. Alla tote o theos den >> einai pantaxou parwn kai ta panta plhrwn. >> An exeis antilogo panw sto ti einai kolash (elpizw na katalavaineis oti den >> me >> apasxolei h ekdoxh me ta kazania) tha me endiefere poly na ton akoysw. >> >> ------------- >> >> From: "George M. Menegakis" <[email protected]> >> Meta apo polla xronia parousias sth lista (eimai enas apo tous >> Megalous >> Palious, pou tha elege kai o Asterhs) eftase h wra gia thn apoxwrish mou. >> Se ena mhna parousiazomai sto strato, alla se merikes meres, mias kai >> feugw >> apo to panepisthmio, xanw kai th syndesh mou sto net. >> Opote hrthe h wra na sas apoxairethsw exontas thn elpida oti meta to >> strato >> tha ta poume ksana edw. >> Kala na pernate mexri tote. >> >> ------------ >> >> morpheus wrote: >> >>> Paidia, teleiwse to flamewar na paroume kamia tzoura; >>> >> >> From: stratari <[email protected]> >> Flamewar? Poy to eides Asterh? >> Syzhtoysa me filo apo th lista xues kai katalhjame pws to epipedo toy 99% >> twn mail twn teleytaiwn ebdomadwn htan se akrws ychlo epipedo. Mporei to >> uema na htan off topic alla emena toylaxiston moy edwse thn eykairia na >> jafniastw eyxarista anakalyptontas pws oi perissoteroi blepoyme ta pragmata >> me paromoio tropo. Eyxaristw olocyxa ton Dimitri Kimina poy synebale >> s'ayto! :-))) >> Gia mia akomh fora aisuanomai perhfanos poy eimai melos ths listas sfgr! >> Na'ste kala oloi! >> Stratos 'pappoys' Kyriazidhs >> >> ----------------- >> >> From: "George M. Menegakis" <[email protected]> >> >>> To na mhn katalavaineis kati einai dekto. To na poulas eksypnada gia kati >>> pou >>> den katalavaineis einai blakwdes. >>> >> ^^^^^^^^^ >> Ksexna oti eipa to parapanw... Apla exw kakh diathesh. To pairnw pisw >> kai >> syggnwmh. >> >> ------------ >> >> Stratos 'pappoys' Kyriazidhs Wrote... >> >>> Eyxaristw olocyxa ton Dimitri Kimina poy synebale s'ayto! :-))) >>> >> >> From: "G.P. Kalogiannis" <[email protected]> >> oxi kai Dimitri, tou xalas olh thn eikona! DHMHTRIO! :-)) >> >> ---------------- >> >> From: "George M. Menegakis" <[email protected]> >> >>> Pantodynamos; Eisai poly sigouros; >>> Mporei na ftiaksei mia petra toso baria pou na mh mporei na th shkwsei >>> >> >> gia na ftia3ei mia petra pou den mporei na shkwsei prepie prwta na >> ftia3ei >> mia megalyterh gia na sta8ei ara mporei na ftia3ei mia petra megalyterh >> apo uthn thn petra pou den mporei na shkwsei alla ama uth h petra >> einai poly megalh tote ayth katalhgei se mia mayrh trypa kai o 8eos >> peytei mesa kai den ton 3anablepoume.. opote katafeygoume sto >> e3hs logiko oti osoi 8ei epixeirhsan kati den yparxoun pia opote >> oloi oi 8eoi pou yparxoun pote den 8a epixeirhsoun kati tetoio opote >> einai askopo na rwtas an 8a to kanoun... >> >> ->thAAAnos<- >> egw prwsopika den 8a to kanw... >> >> ------------------- >> >> thAAnos/George M. Menegakis >> >> >>> 2)sth logikh den yparxei mono to nai/oxi blepe logismo lamda >>> opote mhn 3anakousw gia apodei3eis >>> >> >> Oi times alhtheias mporei na einai kai yperarithmishmes, eksartatai apo >> to >> systhma pou eksetazeis kai to kyriwtero apo tis erwthseis pou kaneis. >> Sthn erwthsh omws "Yparxei Theos" den xwraei isws. Eite nai eite oxi. >> Kai oson afora tis apodeikseis protou arxizeis na les gia pleitimh logikh >> kai >> mathhmatika systhma rhkse mia matia sta themelia. >> H apodeiksh einai apodeiksh pou einai apodeiksh. >> An mporeis na metabeis apo ena kanona se ena allo me xrhsh kanwnwn >> tou >> systhmatos tote exeis apodeiksh. >> >> >>> 2b)h logikh einai dhmiourghma tou an8rwpou o 8eos einai epishs >>> dhmiourghma tou an8rwpou, alla h logikh den dhmiourghse ton an8rwpo... >>> >> >> Den kserw an o theos einai dhmiourghma tou anthrwpou, oson afora th >> logikh >> eimai sxedon sigouros. >> >> >>> 3)to mpalonaki kapoia stigmh mporei na spasei kai ola ta pragmata >>> pou exoun petaxtei ap'e3w na r8oun pali mesa... >>> .... ayto mou 8ymhse mia hstoria gia ena zwo pou genate mesa se ena >>> kelyfos peranei olh tou thn zwh ekei mesa kai otan kapote to kelifos >>> spasei pe8ainei apo shock... sto helliconia toy aldis htan nomizw... >>> allo ena biblio pou asxoleitai me to 9ema thw 8rhskeias... >>> >> >> Kai an to mpalonaki einai tetoio pou DEN spaei ; >> An gennhtheis mesa se mia maurh trypa tote olos o kosmos sou einai >> to >> eswteriko ths. Eidika an ypothesoume oti oi maures trypes den odhgoun >> pouthena >> pera apo thn anyparksia >> >> >>> 10)fantare pou pas? >>> >> >> omws touth h thhteia, den tha mas bgalei pouthena... >> >> -------------- >> >> Stratari: >> >>>> Egw jerw pws sto dhmotiko to mauhma twn urhskeytikwn (poy parempiptontws >>>> apo perisy onomazetai "Oruodojh Xristianikh Agwgh" kai to biblio ths E' >>>> tajhs "Me ton Xristo ston agwna") didasketai dyo wres th bdomada enanti >>>> mias (apo mia) ths Gewgrafias, Koinwnikhs agwghs, moysikhs, texnikwn. >>>> >> >> C. Voulgaris: >> >>> Yperaspizomai toso to mathima ton Thriskeytikon ( h opos allios legete), >>> giati opos eipa kai se allo mail eixa th tyxi na moy to kanei enas poly >>> fotismenos anthropos apo ton opoio kerdisa, gia kapoia xronia sto Lykeio. >>> Esy sa daskalos de niotheis pos exeis dyo ores thn ebdomada na doylepseis >>> me tis "agnes" psyxes ton mikron paidion kai na toys doseis na katalaboyn >>> thn orthothta th shmasia kai thn a3ia kapoion idanikon esto kai an to >>> kaneis ayto xreisimopoiontas th didaskalia kai tis paraboles kapoioy poy >>> legotan Ihsous Xristos? >>> >> >> ------------ >> >> Dimitris Kiminas: >> >>> Parakalo! (Alitheia, esy poy xathikes?) >>> >> >> Stratari: >> De xauhka. Parakoloyuw. Apla: >> 1. M'aresei na diabazw toys alloys, n'akoyw. >> 2. Parathrhsa pws arketes fores mperdeyeis katastaseis. P.x. dhlwsa >> aurhskos kai oxi aueoskai to ejhghsa. Alla einai fysiko. Eisai (sxedon) >> monos apo th mia pleyra kai eimaste para polloi apo thn allh. Einai >> anurwpino na kaneis lauh otan exeis n'apanthseis se polloys. Eipa loipon na >> se jekoyrasw ligo! :-)) >> >> --------------- >> >> Dimitris Tsallas: >> Ma giati kaneis de skefthke to pio aplo: o ueos aplvs ua allajei toys >> kanones >> ths logikhs gia na aruei to paradojo. >> >> ------ >> >> Tom Tziros: >> >>> EPITELOYS terma h tzampa syndesh... Stamatav na plhrvnv. EPITELOYS ginesai >>> kai esy >>> KOROIDO FOROLOGOYMENOS. Tosa xronia ayto perimena. H ekdikhsh einai ena >>> piato poy >>> trvgetai kryo.... Sto dromo gia thn karvth perna na me xairetiseis. >>> >> >> Dimitris Tsallas: >> Xa! Pali thn pathses Yperboreie: poios nomizeis oti ua plhrvnei th stolh kai >> to >> fai toy oso ua yphretei th mama patrida? Esy koroido forologoymene! :)) >> >> ------------ >> >> Manolis Manolas wrote: >> >>> Gia paradigma, pigene se ena estiatorio, paragile mia >>> omeleta ke meta na perigrapsis ton magiro/tin magirisa(?). >>> Des to aftokinito sou ke meta milise mas gia ton dimiourgo tou. >>> >> >> From: Dimitris Tsallas >> Atyxes to paradeigma. Apo thn omeletta den ua bgei symperasma, mporeis omvs >> na >> peis to idio an melethseis to synolo tvn faghtvn poy ftiaxnei? Sigoyra >> mporeis >> na ftaseis se kapoia symperasmata poy ua zvgrafisoyn pleyres ths >> prvsopikothtas >> toy/ths. To idio isxyei kai gia ton dhmioyrgo toy aytokinhtoy (opoy >> dhmioyrgos=etaireia, giati profanvs sth dhmioyrgia enos aytokinhtoy paizoyn >> polla pragmata rolo). >> P.S. Paraklhsh an einai eykolo na akoloyueitai stoixeivdvs h oruografia tvn >> kanonikvn ellhnikvn kai sta greeklgish giati mail xvris dichfa fvnhenta 'h >> diaxvrismo metajy givta kai hta einai (toylaxiston gia mena) poly >> dysanagnvsta >> (ayto to "ishii" sygkekrimena to diabasa dyo fores mexri na to katalabv). >> >> ------------ >> >> Dimitris Kiminas: >> P.S. Afto to "dichfa" to diavasa oxto fores mexri na to katalavo :) >> >> --------------- >> >> Dimitris Kiminas: >> >> Not everybody knows that, alla ypotithetai oti ti stoli kai to fai toy tin >> plironei o >> idios me tin ergasia toy. O misthos toy Stratioti einai peripoy 80.000 drx, >> oi >> opoies katakratoyntai apo ti monada gia to royxismo, sitisi, kai stegasi >> toy. >> Afto poy perisevei einai oi 'kakofimes' 980 draxmes poy pairnei o Stratiotis >> kathe mina sto xeri. (Kakofimes giati synithos o sitistis den soy dinei to >> xiliariko ean den exeis na toy doseis to eikosariko!!!) >> >> Etsi skepsoy prin diamartiritheis gia ta mpanal royxa, to apaisio fai kai to >> saravalo krevati poy koimase parea me 10 peinasmenoys korioys: >> >> Me 79.020 drx to mina ti itheles? Ksenodoxeio A' katigorias? :)))) >> >> ------------- >> >> From: thAAAnos <[email protected]> >> >>> pisteyw oti h olh syzhthsh gia thn apodei3h ths ypar3hs toy 8eou einai >>> prowrh to prwto pou prepei na anarwth8oume kai na orisoume einai >>> ti einai o 8eos? >>> >>> kai loipon egw rwtaw ti einai o 8eos? >>> >> >> Dimitris Kiminas: >> Moy fainetai oti den diavazeis ola ta mynimata Athanasie. >> >> O Theos Einai Analoiotos. Einai Anaitios. Einai Anapofefktos. Einai Teleios. >> >> PANTODYNAMOS KAI PANTAXOY PARON sto Sympan mas, os to >> Apolyto Aitio olon ton Allagon kai olon ton Pithanotiton >> >> Poio apla, o Theos einai o LOGOS. >> >> Aparadekto pantos, na min ksereis ti einai Theos kai na ysxirizesai oti >> eisai kai esy enas. :) >> >> ------------------ >> >> Demetrius Kiminas/George Schizas >> >> >>> Kai giati na allazei to DNA? >>> >> >> Epeidh mpla...mpla...mpla... kosmikes aktines ...mpla...mpla...mpla... >> >> < Kai giati kosmikes aktines? >> >> Epeidh mpla...mpla...mpla... >> >> < kai giati mpla...mpla...mpla...? >> >> Legetai anthrwpikh arxh (enallaktikh lysh ths yparkshs Theou). >> >> Apo apeirous kosmous pou exoun dynatothta na dhmiourghthoun* (kai pithanon >> exoun dhmiourghthei) mono enas (?) exei tetoies arxikes parametrous wste na >> mporei na dhmiourghthei ena on pou na kanei autes tis erwthseis >> *antimetwpizw th dhmiourgia kathara san apotelesma twn arxikwn parametrwn. >> >> Dimitris Kiminas: >> Enas kosmos den mporei na dimioyrgithei monos toy. (my belief, of course!) >> >> George Schizas: >> An exoume kapoies arxikes synthikes, ta atoma kai ta moria tha kinhthoun >> pros orismenes kateuthynseis, me orismenh taxythta kai ephreazomena apo >> orismenes dynameis. Se ena kosmo opou p.x. h barythta tha htan pio isxyrh >> apo to fortio, mporei sta 5 prwta lepta to olo "sympan" na katerree. Me tis >> synthkes pou exoume sto diko mas sympan, mporesan ta atoma na ginoun moria, >> na dhmiourghthoun galaxies, astra kai planhtes, kai se ena apo autous ta >> moria organwthikan etsi (thema fysikhs epiloghs) wste na mporoume emeis na >> kanoume autes tis skepseis. >> >> Dimitris Kiminas: >> Pos dimioyrgithikan oi 'arxikes synthikes'? >> Giati na kinoyntai ta moria? >> Giati na exoyn taxytita? >> Giati na yparxoyn dynameis poy na ta epireazoyn? >> Giati na epikratoyn sto sympan mas synthikes poy na epitrepoyn sta >> atoma na ginoyn moria? >> Giati ta moria na mporoyn na organothoyn? >> Giati na mporoyme emeis na skeftomaste? >> >> George Schizas >> Oi arxikes sythikes den dhmiourghthikan. Apo ta apeira parallhla sympanta >> pou yparxoun, mono sto diko mas ta moria kinountan, eixan taxythta klp. wste >> na mporoume emeis na skeftomaste. >> >> Dimitris Kiminas >> Oi arxikes synthikes dimioyrgithikan. Den arxisan na yparxoyn ksafnika apo >> to miden giati 'etsi toys kapnise'. (My belief, ofcourse). >> Tora, an nomizeis oti apantises sta parapano erotimata me to "Apo ta apeira >> parallhla sympanta pou yparxoun, mono sto diko mas ta moria kinountan, >> eixan taxythta klp. wste na mporoume emeis na skeftomaste.".... >> BTW, pos ksereis oti yparxoyn parallila sympanta? Mipos apla to pisteveis? >> Allos enas paralogos stin parea!!! :) >> >> From: George Schizas <[email protected]> >> >>> Kat' arxhn den eipa oti pisteuw sta parallhla sympanta. Apla prosefera mia >>> ennalaktikh "logikh" lysh. Den lew oti den yparxei theos, oute oti >>> yparxei. >>> Den mporoume omws na xrhsimopoihsoume th logikh (oso "logikh" kai an mas >>> fainetai h yparksh h mh tou Theou) gia na apofanthoume. Oso gia pisth, >>> einai >>> poly pio efikto na apodeixtei oti yparxoun parallhla sympanta, para to oti >>> yparxei theos. >>> >> >> Dimitris Kiminas: >> Ma kai i yparksi ennalaktikon sympanton na apodixthei, den simainei oti den >> yparxei Theos! Aplos oti to dimioyrgima Toy einai pio polyploko apo oso >> pistevame mexri simera. >> >> --------------- >> >> Dimitris Kiminas: >> >>> Aparadekto pantos, na min ksereis ti einai Theos kai na ysxirizesai oti >>> eisai kai esy enas. :) >>> >> >> Thaaanos: >> eipa htan rhtorikh erwthsh! >> >> ------------ >> >> Demetrius Kiminas wrote: >> >>> O Atheos den exei me ti na fanatistei???????????? >>> >>> H sistimatiki dioksi ton Thriskevomenon tis anatolikis Evropis apo ta >>> Athea >>> kathestota den eixe tipote to fanatiko, etsi? >>> >>> Ma vevaia, otan oi Kinezoi esfazan toys Thivetianoys monaxoys, itan fysika >>> o thriamvos tis logikis. >>> >>> Kai otan oi Alvanoi katargisan tis Thriskeies stin Alvania kai eriksan >>> oloys >>> toys Ieromenoys sta katanagkastika erga apo opoy kanenas den epezise, itan >>> o >>> thriamvos tis dikaiosynis, sosta? >>> >> >> From: Theodore Georgakopoulos <[email protected]> >> Oi Sobietikoi, oi kinezoi kai oi loipoi anatolikoeurwpaioi kommounistes >> eixan >> kai paraeixan antikeimeno na fanatistoun - ton idio ton kommounismo. Mporei >> na >> mhn einai akribws 8rhskeia, alla einai (htan?) mia panisxyrh ideologia. >> Opoioi >> kanoun egklhmata san auta pou anafereis EINAI fanatismenoi. Autoi omws den >> htan >> "fanatikoi a8eoi", htan fanatikoi kommounistes, pou den mporousan na dextoun >> mia >> allh organwsh na amfisbhthsei thn apolyth e3ousia tous sto lao. Kai fysika >> einai >> katadikasteoi. Osoi symmetexoun edw sth lista den nomizw na fanatizontai me >> tetoion tropo. Einai apla a8eoi kai den fanatizontai. O monos dogmatikos kai >> fanatismenos edw mesa eisai sy. >> >> -------------- >> >> "C. Voulgaris B9803816" wrote: >> >>> An den kano lathos sth Deytera Lykeioy, oi mathites didaskontai kai tis >>> basikes arxes allon thriskion. Episis pisteyo oti skopos ton thriskeytikon >>> sto sxoleio einai na mathoyn stoys nearoys mathites kapoioys kanopnes >>> hthikis kai oxi na fanatisoyn. Episis skopos toys einai na mathoyn stoys >>> mathites kapoies paradoseis toy ethnoys toys, poy pali de theoro lathos. >>> Alloste de mathainoyme mono peri Xristianismou. Sta 12 xronia toy sxoleioy >>> kanoyme analytikotata ta panta peri tis latreias toy 12theoy. Etsi den >>> einai? >>> >> >> From: Theodore Georgakopoulos <[email protected]> >> AHDIES. Prokeitai gia to monimo HLI8IO epixeirhma twn papadwn otan kapoios >> diamartyretai gia ton wmo prosylhtismo sta sxoleia. Ousiastika les oti to >> ma8hma twn 8rhskeutikwn den einai kathxhsh, alla ma8hma genika peri >> 8rhskeiwn >> kai istorias. AM DE. Blepeis, to rolo ths 8rhskeias sthn ellhnikh istoria >> ton >> ma8ainoun ta paidia outws h allws sthn istoria (e3wraismeno kai gemato >> psemata, >> mind you). MHN EISAI AFELHS. To ma8hma twn 8rhskeutikvn, dyo didaktikes wres >> KA8E ebdomada gia 12 xronia, einai stygnh propaganda kai tyflh kathxhsh. >> Prokeitai gia EGKLHMA kata ths dhmokratias kai ths eleu8erhs skepshs. Oi >> papades, blepontas oti h koinwnia den tous xreiazetai, oti oi goneis den >> sernoun ta paidakia tous sthn ekklhsia, prospa8oun na ta ekfobisoun apo thn >> didaktikh edra. Lene: me to pes pes, 12 xronia, olo kai kapoious pelates 8a >> psarepsoume. Thn idia stigmh, h biologia, h episthmh ths zwhs, didasketai >> mono >> se 2 h 3 xronia. >> >> From: "C. Voulgaris B9803816" <[email protected]> >> Proton den eimai AFELHS. Akribos giayo to logo exo thn ikanothta na >> katalabaino pote kapoios moy leei blakeies kai pote oxi. Deyteron to mathima >> ton Thriskeytikon se elaxista sxoleia didaskete apo papades. Synithos ginete >> apo apofoitoys ton Theologikon tmhnaton ton Panepistimion mas, diladiu >> morfomenoys anthropoys. KAi den exo akoysei poloys apo aytoys na lene >> "pigene sthn ekklisia giati tha se kapsei o Theos". De 3ero an sthn epoxh >> sou ginotan etsi, alla sth diki moy, apofoitisa to 96, ta pragmata exoyn >> allaksei. Pos akribos ginete o prosilitismos? Simera exei pio poly th morfh >> didaskalias mias filosofias oxi ghia propaganda, poso mallon gia EGKLIMA >> kata ths dimokratias. An de theleis, apla de to kaneis to mathima. >> Enalaktika apla ypostirizeis thn apopsi soy kai kaneis DIALOGO ( gnosth >> dimokratiki diadikasia) me ton kathigith kai toys symathiotes soy. Se >> sxoleio eisai oxi sthn Iera E3etash. >> Gia na kano biologia gia parapano apo 3 xronia poy kano hdh, peran toy oti >> de blepo to nohma, xreiazomai kai ena soro parapleyres gnoseis opoy fysika >> den einai dynaton na apoktiso sto sxoleio (Pao sto Panepistimio gi ayto.) >> Ti lebne se teliki analysi ta Thriskeytika poy einai toso eglimatiko kata >> tis Eleytheris Skepsis? Mh klepseis, mh foneyseis, mh zhleyeis klp . Esy me >> thn eleytherh skepsh soy poy ta briskeis akribos lathos? H mhpos egien hdh >> to eglima kai eis baros toy dikoy soy myaloy kai pia de mporeis na skefteis >> Eleythera kai Dimokratika. >> >> H ypar3h toy mathimatos aytoy apla de moy einai enoxlitiki, omos eisai toso >> apolytos poy me anagazeis na apantiso se ayto to tono..... >> >> P.S. an thes na apantiseis prospathise na to kaneis xoris na >> xaraktirizeis AHDIES ayta poy grafo. Apla pes th gnomh kai ta epixeirimata >> soy..... >> >> ---------------- >> >> George Schizas: >> >>> Allo to na einai logiko to na yparxei Theos kai allo to oti h yparksh tou >>> Theou basizetai sth logikh. Pithanothtes na apodeixthei h yparksh Tou den >>> nomizw oti yparxei >>> >> >> Dimitris Kiminas >> Symfona me ti logiki, yparxoyn pithanotites na apodixthei i yparksi toy, >> alla >> den yparxei kammia pithanotita na apodixthei i anyparksia toy. >> >> Paradeigma apo ta Mathimatika: >> >> To Pi toy kykloy 3,14..... exei ypologistei mexri kapoio ekatomyriosto >> psifio >> (exei, malista vgei kai ena vivlio poy toys periexei--merikoi to onomasan >> 'to pio vareto vivlio toy kosmoy!). Loipon, as poume oti mexri simera den >> exoyn >> anakalyfthei tria 7 sti seira se afto to dekadiko noymero. >> >> Vgaino loipon ego kai leo: Pistevo oti yparxoyn tria synexomena eptaria sto >> dekadiko tmima toy Pi. Kathos oi dekadikoi toy Pi ypologizontai olo kai me >> megalyteri akriveia, kapoia mera mporei na vgo alithinos. Ean omos elega >> oti 'den yparxoyn tria synexomena eptaria', oxi mono den mporo na to >> apodeikso, alla den yparxei kammia pithanotita na apodeixthei kati tetoio. >> >> ---------------- >> >> From: Theodore Georgakopoulos <[email protected]> >> >>> MHN EISAI AFELHS. To ma8hma twn 8rhskeutikvn, dyo didaktikes wres >>> KA8E ebdomada gia 12 xronia, einai stygnh propaganda kai tyflh kathxhsh. >>> >> >> Dimitris Kiminas: >> To mathima ton Thriskeftikon einai aparaitito gia na kseroyn ta paidia ti >> presvevei i episimi Thriskeia toy kratoys mas. Pigaine se mia taksi tin ora >> ton Thriskeftikon, i se mia ekklisia tin ora toy ekklisiasmoy, kai tha >> diapistoseis poso apotelesmatiki einai i kata ta legomena soy "stygni >> propaganda" kai i "tyfli katixisi". Vre paidi moy, telionoyn to sxoleio kai >> mpainoyn kateftheian se monastiri--Thavma! Thavma! >> >> ------------- >> >> Dimitris Kiminas/Thaaanos >> Poio apla, o Theos einai o LOGOS. >> >> >>> etsi apla kai afhrhmena? >>> ti enoheis LOGOS le3h,dianoia,aitia,desmeysh? >>> esy ti katalavaineis otan les logos? >>> >> >> STHN ARXH YPHRKSE O LOGOS, KAI O LOGOS EINAI O THEOS. >> H noimosini poy ypirxe prin to sympan kai efthinetai gia ti dimioyrgia toy. >> >> >>> edw nomizw oti kaneis la8os... >>> nohmosynh shmainei nohthkes diergasies to idio kai h dianoia >>> omws ayto den mporei na symbei xwris xrono. >>> o theos den skeftetai... apla 3erei! >>> dioti an anarwth8ei kati exei amesws thn apanthsh >>> h mallon h erwthsh kai h apanthsh erxontai coupled! >>> >> >> Eee, telos panton Athaaanasie, theorise oti ola afta poy les >> perilamvanontai sti xrisi toy oroy 'noimosyni' parapano.. >> >> -------------- >> >> From: Panayiotis Andriopoulos <[email protected]> >> Gia thn arxh ths aprosdioristias exeis akousei tipota? >> >> -------------- >> >> From: "morgana" <[email protected]> >> KALA OLA AYTA, ALLA DEN MPOREITE NA GRAFETE LIGOTERA MAIL KYRIE KIMINE, >> DIOTI MOU FLOODARETE TO MAILBOX. >> >> EYXARISTW, MARGIE LAZOU >> >> -------------- >> >> "G.P. Kalogiannis" wrote: >> >>> Exw thn entypwsh oti o Ypourgos Exwterikwn ths xwras diabazei ayth thn >>> lista... >>> >> >> Stratari: >> Einai palia EOKikh directiva alla par'ol'ayta, ki egw skefthka to idio xtes >> brady! :-))) >> >> ---------------- >> >> George Schizas: >> To aplopoiw, giati einai ligo mperdemeno (idiws gia osous den exoun diabasei >> to Contact) >> >> An ftiaksoume mia mhxanh texnhths nohmosynhs (i.e. ena programma) pou mesa >> tou na yparxoun mikra "onta" pou na pisteuoun oti ta eftiakse enas theos, >> ginomaste Theoi? >> >> Mporei o Theos pou anagnwrizoume emeis na einai kapoios p.x. episthmonas pou >> "eftiakse" to sympan se ena PC tou. Auto ton kanei "apla" ena epipedo >> "Theosynhs" anwtero apo emas. Kai Autos omws mporei na einai programmataki >> se ena PC kapoiou episthmona 2 epipeda "Theosynhs" panw apo emas klp. >> >> Etsi, enw gia emas mporei na plhroi ola ta "apodeiktika stoixeia" tou oti >> einai o Theos, sthn pragmatikothta den einai. Akoma kai "deutera parousia" >> na ginotan (crash? :) ), pali den *apodeiknyetai* oti o xeirisths tou >> "Kosmikou PC" einai Anarxos, Aiwnios klp. >> >> An eimaste to oneiro tou Theou, ton Theo poios Ton oneireuetai? >> >> --------------- >> >> From: "morgana" <[email protected]> >> >> AN ETSI AJIOLOGEITE TA MYNHMATA SAS KAI THS LISTAS KYRIE KIMINA TOTE EGW DEN >> EXW KANENA PROBLHMA. ALLA NA JERETE KATI: FLAMEWARS PANTA YPHRXAN, PANTA 8A >> YPARXOUN KAI KANEIS POTE DEN ALLAZEI APOPSH. OPOTE MHN NOMIZETE PWS KANETE >> KATI TO IDIAITERO - PERAN TOU NA FLOODARETE TO MAILBOX MOU DHLADH >> >> YOURS TRULY >> >> ------------ >> >> From: George Schizas <[email protected]> >> >> >>> Ta 3 (h 33) synexomena eptaria einai kati pou mporei na katanohthei apo >>> ton >>> anthrwpo. (apodeiksh: -> 777 ). O Theos oxi. Ara den mporei na apodeixtei >>> h >>> yparksh tou, giati an ginotan katanohtos, auto tha htan se antithesh me th >>> fysh tou. >>> >> >> Dimitris Kiminas >> Otan synantiseis to Theo THA KSEREIS APOLYTA pos einai Ekeinos, gia >> logoys poy simera den mporeis na katalaveis. >> >> ------------ >> >> Dimitris Kiminas: >> Kai oson afora tin ekseliksi, tin teleftaia fora poy tsekarisa nomizo oti >> eimastan oloi Homo Sapiens. >> >> ------------- >> >> From: "morgana" <[email protected]> >> >> A: DEN ME ENDIAFEROUN TI KANOUN OLOI OI YPOLOIPOI, AS PAN NA KOUREYONTAI. >> EMENA ME ENDIAFEREI AYTO POU KANW MONO EGW. >> B: OUTE AYTO OYTE KAI KANENA FLAME DEN EXEI PERISSOTERO VAROS APO OLA TA >> YPOLOIPA. APLA DEN EXOUME TIPOTA NA KANOUME KAI ASXOLOUMASTE ME XAZOMARES. >> C: PAR'OLA AYTA DEN SAS BLEPW NA GRAFETE LIGOTERA MYNHMATA, POLLW MALLON GIA >> 8EMATA POU EINAI IDIA. PREPEI KAPOIA STIGMH NA TO METRIASETE AYTO TO >> SYNH8EIO, DIOTI DEIXNEI ELEIPSH SEBASMOU >> D: GRAFW KEFALAIA GIATI ME AYTO TO ZHTHMA AIS8ANOMAI SAN TON MORT TOU >> PRATCHETT >> E: MHPWS JEREI KANEIS PWS KANEIS UNSUBSCRIBE APO THN LISTA? >> >> MARG >> >> -------------- >> >> Dimitris Tsallas: >> Kala ola ayta peri fysikhs epiloghs, ayto omvs poy odhgei emena sthn >> pepoiuhsh >> oti to sympan mas einai dhmioyrghma kai oxi tyxaio kataskeyasma einai h >> yparjh >> tvn fysikvn nomvn katv apo toys opoioys leitoyrgei. Aytoi den ejelixthkan >> symfvna me kapoia diadikasia epiloghs, ap' oso mporoyme na jeroyme yphrxan >> apo >> thn arxh kai ua synexisoyn na yparxoyn analloivtoi. Aplvs etyxe ki aytoi na >> einai svstoi se sxesh me alla parallhla sympanta? Mporei nai, mporei oxi, >> pantvs >> emena me bazei se skeceis. >> >> George Schizas: >> H fysikh epilogh anaferetai stous fysikous nomous. Ta alla sympanta pou >> eixan diaforetikous f.n. den "epezhsan" (me thn ennoia oti den eftiaksan >> onta pou na skeptontai klp.). Auth legetai "anthrwpikh arxh". Den einai >> aparaithta "swsth", apla dinei mia diaforetikh ermhneia tou "giati >> yparxoume". >> >> Dimitris Kiminas >> Kata ti gnomi moy i 'anthropiki arxi' soy einai pio apithani apo tin >> yparksi Theoy. >> Oi fysikoi nomoi den arxisan na yparxoyn apo monoi toys sta ksafnika. >> >> ------------ >> >> From: "George Schizas" <[email protected]> >> Anakalypsa oti h onelist.com exei balei kapoia arithmish twn myhnhmatwn kai >> apo kei oti mou leipoun 33 mynhmata. Ta perissotera apo auta pou mou leipoun >> einai mallon logw flooding, kyriws tou D. Kimina (pou se mia dosh exoun >> stalei 8 me thn idia hmeromhnia). Ta katebazw apo to web, alla an den eixe >> mesolabhsei to mail ths morgana pou apantouse se ena mail pou den eixa, den >> tha to 'blepa. >> BTW: Molis perasame ta 2000 mhnymata (To paron *prepei* na einai to 2003). >> Paraklhsh: Otan stelnete POLLA mail mazi, prospathiste na ta stelnete >> liga-liga (den kserw pws akribws, alla try anyway). >> >> --------- >> >> Demetrius Kiminas wrote: >> >>> Den aksiologisa ta mynimata tis listas os delete-material. Htan mia emesi >>> anafora se ekeinoys poy ta svinoyn xoris na ta diavasoyn eite giati den >>> toys apasxoloyn tetoia provlimata, eite giati den exoyn to xrono, eite >>> giati >>> aplos varioyntai na ta diavasoyn. >>> >> >> From: morpheus <[email protected]> >> "-Are you talking to me? >> Are you talking to *me*? >> .....'Coz I don't see anyone else around here" >> >> (Travis Bickle, 'Cabdriver') >> >> a. Kai gia na to kanw pio 3eka8aro, _filtate_: se ola ta mail pou esteila >> sxetika me to flamewar, apefyga epimelws na anafer8w se sena h se >> opoiondhpote allon, eite onomastikws eite dia spontas. 8a parakalousa >> loipon na mou antapodwseis th xarh kai na afhseis tis 'emmeses >> anafores', dioti ep'oudeni logw prokeitai na tsimphsw kai na symmetasxw >> s'auth th sthmenh kouventa. >> >> b. To mail auto einai to teleutaio apo mena pou >> anaferetai s'auto to 8ema. O logos pou esvhsa ekeina ta mhnymata nomizw >> diafainetai 3eka8aros ap'auta pou eipa: apex8anomai texnikes >> proshlytismou kai junkmailing, kai ton teleutaio kairo, h lista exei >> arxisei na vrwmaei akrivws auto. Epipleon, epeidh 8ewrw pws oi taktikes >> autes einai kateu8ynomenes, katefyga gia prwth fora sth xrhsh killfiles >> (filtrwn) gia sygkekrimena proswpa ws teleutaio metro prin diagrapsw >> eauton apo th lista, giati pisteuw oti exei akoma logo ypar3hs kai >> sygkentrwnei a3iologa atoma twn opoiwn oi apopseis me endiaferoun. >> Diathrw omws to dikaiwma na epifylassomai ths apopsews mou gia orismena >> 8emata kai na ta syzhtaw me opoious egw epilegw. An auto fainetai se >> kapoious ws adiaforia, de me apasxolei. Eixa thn entypwsh oti auth h >> lista einai ena dhmokratiko forum dialogou, alla otan akouw krauges tou >> typou "dhlwste oloi ta pisteuw sas, eidallws 8a kri8eite erhmhn sas", >> arxizw na anhsyxw. >> >> c. Endexomenws na ais8an8eis ypoxrewmenos na apanthseis sta parapanw, >> alla 8a se symvouleua na mhn perimeneis antapanthsh apo mena. >> .....You're in my filter list :-) >> >> Filika, >> Asteris Masouras >> >> Dimitris Kiminas: >> >> a. H 'emesi' anafora moy itan: "pressing 'delete' is one of life's little >> pleasures, >> isn't it?" Vlepeis tipota kakovoylo? Yparxoyn pragmata poy den endiaferoyn >> ki emena, you know, kai otan eipa to parapano kyriolektoysa. >> >> Einai kako na min se apasxoloyn tetoia provlimata? >> >> Einai kako na min exeis to xrono na asxolitheis me to trexon 'flame'? >> >> Einai kako na variesai na diavaseis ola ta mails poy lamvaneis, otan >> malista den aforoyn prosopika esena? >> >> Ego tha elega oti den einai. >> >> Tora an esy thixtikes me tin parapano paragrafo moy, kathe allon para >> prothesi moy itan. >> >> BTW, sxetika me to 'stimeno' toy thematos, apokalypses to mystiko >> moy!! Molis dextho ta mynimata sas ta stelno stin Iera Moni Ksiropotamoy >> toy Agioy Oroys, apo opoy mia eikosipentamelis epitropi monaxon kai >> theologon frontizei gia tis apantiseis... :))))) >> >> b. Mmm, malista. Loipon, parakalo poly ton/toys Listarxo/oys, an pistevoyn >> oti >> oi apantiseis moy apoteloyn kindino gia ti lista (afaimaksi melon kai ta >> toiafta) na moy zitisoyn na stamatiso tin sxetiki allilografia. I promise to >> comply. >> >> c. Apanto, esto kai dipla filtrarismenos! :)) >> >> Dimitris >> >> --------------- >> >> From: "George Schizas" <[email protected]> >> >> Koitaza ta log kai blepw oti h theologikh syzhthsh ekleise hdh ena mhna!!! >> Nomizw oti einai to makrytero flame/thread pou apo katabolhs SFGR (v3) >> >> Proswpika den nomizw pws einai kai toso flame, den yparxei kai toso entonh >> antiparathesh pou na dikaiologei tetoio xarakthrismo. Apo thn allh bebaia h >> apopsh mou einai mallon prokateilhmmenh, kathws eimai enas apo tous >> prwtostathsantes (to prwto mhnyma, me titlo www.mega.doc pou anaferotane >> sthn ekpomph tou Tsima htan diko mou) kai apo autous pou kindyneuoun amesa >> se eggrafh se name-filtra, opote exw idion symferon na thn xarakthrisw >> thread. Apo thn trith bebaia emena mou dothike eukairia na milhsw gia >> parallhla sympanta, ekseliksh, sympanta mesa se sympanta k.a. pou einai >> nomizw akrws sxetizomena me SF. >> >> ---------------- >> >> From: "Argyreas Thomas" <[email protected]> >> >> .....delurking: >> Hi ... ksypnhsa! Giati, alhtheia, kanete toso thorybo? >> >> To problhma ths pisths anagetai sto meizon problhma ths epibivshs vs ekshs: >> >> a. O Anthrvpos gennietai mesa sto "Kalo". (Zestasia thalpvrh...) >> >> b. O Anthrvpos egkataleipei to "Kalo" psaxnontas to "Kalytero" (ypo to >> blemma ths manoulas...) >> >> c. O Anthrvpos psaxnontas, synanta to "Kako" (manoulaaaa... fobamai monos >> mou edv eksv...) >> >> d. O Anthrvpos epilegei na zei sto "Kako" epeidh fobatai to "Xeirotero" >> (Atimh koinvnia....) >> >> e. O Anthrvpos dhmiourgei thn ennoia toy "Ypertatoy Kalou" gia na papsei >> epitelous, na moutzvnetai ston kathrefth tou gia tis epiloges tou. (Kai tis >> kyriakes forame loustrinia parakalv....) >> >> f. O Antrvpos pisteyei pleon sto "Ypertato Kalo" me stoxo na ftiaksei dynath >> omada me tous "kalous tou geitones" kai na kathypotaksei sto onoma toy >> "Ypertatou Kalou" olous tous "kakous geitones" (kai na oikeiopoihthei oti >> kalo diathetoun....) (Ta kala kai symferonta....) >> >> g. Kathe pisth einai "Kalh pros eaythn" (Aytopathis idiothta) >> >> h. O "kakos geitonas" exei "kakh pisth" (Synepagvgh) >> >> i. Kane to "Kaloooo" kai rixto sto gialo (Ta apotelesmata ta blepoyme stis >> paralies mas kathe kalokairi....) >> >> Eimai eytyxhs sthn "Monaksia" mou >> Filakia stis makryes geneiades. Panta htan psarvtikes.... >> :-)))))))))))))))) >> >> lurking...(zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz) >> Tom (44 xvris ta kalokairia pou ta rixnv sto gialo!!!) >> >> ------------------ >> >> From: George Schizas <[email protected]> >> >>>> Otan synantiseis to Theo meta thanaton, tha ta katalaveis OLA. >>>> >> >> From: "Demetrius Kiminas" <[email protected]> >> Gia sena mia pithanotita, gia mena mia vevaiotita. >> >> ---------------- >> >> From: George Schizas <[email protected]> >> >>> Telikh apopsh (kai elpizw na mhn ksanaepanerthw) >>> H yparksh tou Theou einai thema pisths. H logikh de xwraei. >>> >> >> Dimitris Kiminas >> Vevaios. H yparksi toy Theoy den mporei na apodeixthei me >> ti logiki. Omos kai to na pisteveis sto Theo DEN einai paralogo. >> >> --------------- >> >> From: "Argyreas Thomas" <[email protected]> >> >>>> Filakia stis makryes geneiades. Panta htan psarvtikes.... >>>> >> >> Dimitris Kiminas >> >>> Giafto oi katholikoi tis...ksirisane? >>> >> >> ---------------- >> >> From: "G.P. Kalogiannis" <[email protected]> >> >> H erwthsh einai (pros olous, including Arximandritis): >> >> Yparxei Zwh allou ektos apo Edw? >> >> (gia osous mporei na amfivalloun gia thn yparxh zwhs edw, exoun kairo na >> bgoun apo to >> spiti tous mallon) >> >> to Erwthma (gia th Zwh to Sympan kai ta Panta) tha mporouse na ginei kai: >> >> Poia einai h pithanothta, mesa sta disekatommyria twn pithanwn apanthsewn, >> na exei >> dhmiourghthei MONO mia fora? >> >> Egw pantws anarwtiemai: Yparxei Eyfyhs zwh? (symperilambanetai KAI h >> lista...) :-)) >> >> >> From: Dimitris Tsallas <[email protected]> >> Kala plaka mas kaneis? >> A.Dhladh esy pisteyeis oti o Kiminas den ua to gyrisei sto ueologiko tvra? >> (an >> kai einai piuano ayth moy h ervthsh mporei na ton intrigkarei vste na _mhn_ >> to >> gyrisei sto ueologiko ;) >> B.Ayto einai ena uema poy den xvrane dogmatikes apoceis kai >> ampelofilosofies? >> >> Asto thread na sbhsei mono toy, einai o monos tropos na teleivsei. Taktikes >> parallaghs kai apoprosanatolismoy synhuvs den pianoyn. >> >> ---------------- >> >> From: "Argyreas Thomas" <[email protected]> >> Filarako, o dikos mou theos gennhthike apo ton Anthrvpo, sthn kayth liakada >> ths Manhs kai apolambanei to dynato meltemi ths Santorinhs, agnanteyontas >> tis Kammenes, kathismenos se siderenio trapezaki. >> Fysika agapaei to tabli, th koubenta peri pantos episthtou kai ton kafe se >> xontro flytzanaki. Ervteyetai th lebentia kai misei th xamerpeia kai th >> doloplokia pou xarakthrizei tous fragkofoniades ths kathe loghs eksousias >> (ylikhs kai pneymatikhs). >> Den askei kanenos eidous eksousia giati misei kathe aneleythero systhma kai >> diaxeirizetai tis dikes tou ypotheseis, hpia kai anepaisthita, xvris na >> epiballei lyseis me ton theiko tou tsambouka. >> Fysika apexthanetai kathe loghs kanones pou epiballontai apo opoiodhpote >> pefvtismeno, tou eaytou tou symperilambanomenou. Afhnei tous kanones na >> diamorfvnontai apo ta systhmata (fysika h koinvnika) basei ths arxhs ths >> spatalhs elaxistou ergou. >> Ayta! Kai oudemia sxesh exei me ton Komo h opoiodhpote allo "afentiko" tou >> kosmou toutou h allou >> >> Pisteyeis loipon oti mporeis na mou allakseis gnvmh? >> >> Nai kai se eyxaristv gia ena pragma: Me epaneferes sth lista :-))))))))))) >> >> Tom >> (44 kai oxi 55. Afou ta kalokairia ta petaksa sto gialo den metrane pia :-) >> >> ------------ >> >> Argyreas Thomas/Dimitris Kiminas >> >>> Pisteyeis loipon oti mporeis na mou allakseis gnvmh? >>> >> >> Mmmm, mallon oxi :) >> >> BTW, what's His name? >> >> >>> Nai kai se eyxaristv gia ena pragma: Me epaneferes sth lista :-))))))))))) >>> >> >> An krino apo ton arithmo ton mails poy xreiastikan, >> milame gia poly HEAVY LURKING :-))))))) >> >> Dimitris >> >> ------------ >> >> From: Dendris Nikolaos <[email protected]> >> >> Hi all! >> >> De-lurking mode kai egw, giati to 0ema tou Androulaki me aggizei >> ideologika. >> >> Na ejhgh0w prwta: 0ewrw ton eauto mou xristiano. Kanw thn >> autokritikh mou gia to an pisteuw, an eimai entajei se afto pou pisteuw, an >> exw typseis h oxi gia to oti kanw sth zwh mou, an prepei na ejomologoumai, >> kai ola ta alla. Den 0ewrw oti mporw na apanthsw se erwthseis toy styl >> "yparxei 0eos?" 'h "einai aftos o Ihsous?", 'h akomh "phge o aggelos ton >> krino sthn Maria?" kai opoiadhpote allh. Kai den dexomai kaneis na me krinei >> gia oti pisteuw. Poly perissotero den apologoumai kai oute nomizw oti >> prepei, gia oti mesa mou noiw0w. >> >> Blepw loipon to biblio tou kou Androulaki na ginetai jafnika >> epikentro ths dhmosiothtas. Ok. Giati omws? Giati kapoioi petajan auga, >> ekanan, ebrisan, kate0esan mhnyseis, k.lp. Kai erwtw: Einai dynaton na >> xarakthrisw aftous pou ekanan ta pragmata afta alliws apo ferefwna kai >> fanatikous? Ti ekane o kos Androulakis? Egrapse ena biblio. Kai leei oti >> leei. An kyrioi (kai kyries) den sas ekfrazei, mhn to agorazete. An >> pisteuete oti sas 0igei, dhmosieuste ki eseis ena allo biblio. Kante kai mia >> eirhnikh diamartyria ejw apo to bibliopwleio. Shkwste panw. Alla HREMA. >> Xwris fwnes. Xwris fanatismenous se parojysmo na wryontai, na pa0ainoun >> katalhpsies, xwris ieromonaxous na diarygnyoun ta imatia tous. Giati kyrioi >> tote den eiste 0rhskoi 'h 0rhskeuomenoi, alla 0RHSKOLHPTOI... kserete, san >> tous ieroejetastes tou mesaiwna, pou ekaigan ta biblia twn arxaiwn, san tous >> isouites pou ekaigan ta biblia twn inkas, san ton papa pou molis twra >> paradexthke pws o Galileos eixe dikio... >> >> Kai mh mou pei kapoios oti sygrinw Galileo me Androulaki... to idio >> iero einai to dikaiwma kai twn dyo na milhsoun. An den katanagasoun ton allo >> na tous akousei, exoun olo to dikaiwma na poun oti 0eloun. Kai mia kai pou >> to anaferame, omorfh h kinhsh ths ieras synodou na katadikasei to biblio... >> 0a mporouse na pei "diafwnoume, mhn to diabasete, 'h diabaste to me prosoxh >> kai krinete..."! Poso pio omorfh protroph den 0a htan afth, de nomizete? >> Alla oxi! Kai oi "pistoi" pou xampari den exoun parei gia to ti pisteuoun >> kai ti leei o Xristianismos, fwnazoun, fanatizontai, kanoun, brizoun! Ma >> afto einai to eukolo, na gineis zwon kai na ekstasiasteis kai na >> paralhreis... to dyskolo einai na akous, na sygrateisai, na skeptesai! >> >> Alla, kyrioi kai kyries pou fwnazete kai kanete, o Xristianismos >> einai h 0rhskeia pou zhtaei to dyskolo, kai oxi to eukolo... Na gyriseis thn >> allh pareia, oxi na pareis to fraggelio... ektos an eisai 0eos! >> >> Kai akomh, oloi ekeinoi pou fwnazoun, kai kanoun, as exoun kai to >> akolou0o sto myalo: Mh krinete ina mh kri0eite! >> >> Kai pws ton elegan ekeinon pou ekaige ta biblia sto Berolino to >> 1936? Hitler? Kai telos... pws to elegan to rhto ekeino? Diafwnw me ta osa >> les, alla 0a yposthrijw me th zwh mou to dikaiwma sou na ta les? >> >> Afta. Aganakthsh kai ahdia noiw0w blepontas osa blepw ton teleutaio >> kairo sthn thleorash peri tou 0ematos. Kai pei0omai oti o an0rwpos kai zwon >> htan, kai zwo emeine kai 0a einai esaei! >> >> Xairetw olous sas, kai... synexizw na akouw me prosoxh... >> >> Nikos Dendris >> >> --------------- >> From: "Petros Avlitis" <[email protected]> >> >> To prvto bhma sthn anazhthsh toy Ueou: >> http://www.baboulas.gr/ >> KAI DEN EINAI PLAKA!!!!!! >> >> [Emm, to thryliko afto link doulevei akoma!] >> [Dimitris] >> >> --------------- >> >> From: Tom Tziros <[email protected]> >> >>> Oi karagkiozhdes den leipoyn KAI apo thn Thessaloniki... Kai o >>> sygkekrimenos >>> einai megalos Karagkiozhs. >>> >> >> Dimitris Kiminas: >> 'Karagiozides'? Exeis na peis tipota enantion toy theatroy skion? :) >> >> From: Tom Tziros <[email protected]> >> Exeis dikio, zhtv tapeina sygnvmh apo k. Spauarh >> >> -------------- >> >> From: Dimitris Tsallas <[email protected]> >> Kala re paidia, o Kiminas einai profanes (meta to deytero off-topic thread >> poy >> jekinhse) oti paei gia ton timhtiko titlo toy troll. Eseis oi ypoloipoi pate >> aplvs gia ton ypotimhtiko titlo toy afelh. Ti na prvtoskeftv? Ton Kritiko >> poy >> eipe oti den ua dvsei synexeia sto thread gia na steilei telika akoma tria >> mhnymata? Ton Dendrh poy mas eipe kapoia svsta pragmata, ta opoia omvs >> exoyme >> hdh akoysei mexri telikhs ptvsevs apo radiofvna kai thleoraseis tis >> teleytaies >> meres? Ton Andriopoylo poy synexise to thread isofarizontas se megeuos post >> ton >> Dendrh legontas kapoia ejisoy svsta kai ejisoy asxeta pragmata? Toys >> ypoloipoys >> poy ftasane na genikeysoyn to uema sthn filosofia tvn media sthn Ellada? >> >> PS: ston news server news.ntua.gr ua breite ta group ntua.discuss kai >> ntua.philosophy. Sas eggyvmai oti to epipedo tvn synomilhtvn einai poly >> ychlo >> kai sas systhnv na kanete subscribe ekei an nivuete thn huikh anagkh na >> ekfrasete thn aganakthsh sas gia to divgmo 'h tis prajeis toy kyrioy >> Androylakh. >> PPS: Flames enantion moy parakalv mesv email. >> >> -------------- >> >> Dimitris Tsallas/Dimitris Kiminas >> >>> Kala re paidia, o Kiminas einai profanes (meta to deytero off-topic thread >>> poy >>> jekinhse) oti paei gia ton timhtiko titlo toy troll. >>> >> >> WOW!!! Afto ki an einai titlos timis!!!!! :)))))) >> >> >>> Eseis oi ypoloipoi pate aplvs gia ton ypotimhtiko titlo toy afelh. >>> >> >> Omos toys ypoloipoys toys rixneis ;) >> >> P.S. Se parakalo sto mellon oi kravges apognosis soy stoys headers na einai >> pio kosmies. Me ksekoyfanes...optika. >> >> ----------- >> >> Demetrius Kiminas/Dimitris Tsallas >> >> >>> WOW!!! Afto ki an einai titlos timis!!!!! :)))))) >>> >> >> Oso ki an soy fainetai periergo einai merikoi poy ton epizhtoyn. Elpizv h >> mellontikh soy synperifora sth lista na diaceysei thn entypvsh poy exv >> apokomisei oti ki esy eisai enas apo aytoys. >> >> >>> Omos toys ypoloipoys toys rixneis ;) >>> >> >> Oi ypoloipoi den prospauoyn toso sklhra oso esy gia na ton apokthsoyn ;) >> >> >>> P.S. Se parakalo sto mellon oi kravges apognosis soy stoys headers na >>> einai >>> pio kosmies. Me ksekoyfanes...optika. >>> >> >> Otan epikratei baboyra se mia syzhthsh o monos tropos na trabhjeis thn >> prosoxh >> (vste sth synexeia na peis me hremia ayta poy ueleis) einai na fvnajeis. H >> epilogh tvn caps htan kauola syneidhth. >> >> ================================================= >> >> Aaa! Ma ti ginetai? Ayto den einai to thread pou me petaksane ekso apo ti >> lista! >> >> Aisxos! 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