Ping Pong BSG

George Kalemis <[email protected]> Mon, 18 May 2009 19:51:31 +0300
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ÓôÑýñï ÝÀùóΓ₯Γ² ñÝóôÑ....

ΓͺÑé ëßãÑ Γ«Γ₯Γ² ðÜíôùò....

Ãéþñãïò

Stavros Giannouris wrote:
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> ΓƒΓ©Γ‘Γ΄ΓŸ Γ€Γ₯Γ­ ÜñìïæΓ₯ Ñáôü ôï ôÝëïò Γ³Γ₯ ìéÑ ôÝôïéÑ Γ³Γ₯éñÜ, ΓͺÑé Γ¬Γ₯ ôéò
> ðñïóÀïΓͺßΓ₯Γ² ðïá Γ₯ß÷Γ₯ ÀçìéïáñãÞóΓ₯Γ© óôïáò Γ³ΓͺëçñïðáñçíéΓͺΓ―Γ½Γ² ôçò ïðÑÀïýò.
> ¹ôÑí ...ΓͺΓ‘ΓͺΓΌ.
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> Ðñéí ðñï÷ùñÞóù, ÑíÑóýñù ìéÑ âñÜóç[*] ôïá Ron D. Moore üôÑí ΓΓ₯ΓͺéíïýóΓ₯ 
> ôï íÝï BSG:
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> "Our goal is nothing less than the reinvention of science fiction
> television. We take as a given the idea that the traditional space
> opera -- with its stock characters[1], techno double-talk[2],
> bumpy-headed aliens[3], thespian histrionics[4] and empty heroics[5] --
> has run its course and a new approach is required. That approach is to
> introduce realism[6] into what has heretofore been an aggressively
> unrealistic genre..."
>
> [1] stock characters. Ï Cavil Γ€Γ₯Γ­ ΓͺÑôÝëçΓΓ₯ Γ­Γ‘ Γ₯ßíÑé Γ― ôáðéΓͺΓΌΓ²
> ðÑñÑíïúΓͺΓΌΓ² ΓͺΓ‘ΓͺΓΌΓ² ðïá óôñÝâΓ₯ôÑé Γ₯íÑíôßïí üëùí; [ðñü÷Γ₯éñï ðÑñÜÀΓ₯éãìÑ]
> [2] techno double-talk: Ôï cylon goop? Ðïá Γ΄Γ₯ëéΓͺÜ Γ€Γ₯Γ­ ÝΓͺÑíΓ₯ ΓͺÑé ôßðïôÑ;
> [3] Hybrids
> [4] Cat, Ellen, Dee, Boomer, Γͺëð
> [5] Cat, Pegasus.
>
> ÄéÑÒΓ₯ÒÑßùíΓ₯ ïôé èÑ ΓͺÑôÑñãïýóΓ₯ ôÑ ΓͺëéóÝ, ïôé èÑ ΓͺÜíΓ₯Γ© ΓͺÜôé ðñÑãìÑôéΓͺÜ
> âñÝóΓͺΓ― ΓͺÑé ÀáíÑôü, ÑëëÜ Γ€Γ₯Γ­ ôÑ ΓͺÑôÜâΓ₯Γ±Γ₯.
> Γ…ΓŸΓ¬Γ‘Γ© üìùò ÀéÑôΓ₯èçìÝíïò Γ­Γ‘ ôï ðÑñÑÒëÝøù Ñáôü, Ñí Γ§ Γ³Γ₯éñÜ Γ³Γ΄Γ₯ΓͺüôÑí
> Γ΄Γ₯ëéΓͺÜ óôï Γ₯ðßðΓ₯Àï ðïá ΓΓ₯ΓͺßíçóΓ₯, ðïá üìùò Γ€Γ₯Γ­ óáíÝÒç.
> ÎΓ₯ΓͺéíþíôÑò ôïí Γ‰Γ‘Γ­Γ―Γ΅ΓœΓ±Γ©Γ― ôï Γ΄Γ₯ëéΓͺΓΌ Γ³ΓͺÝëïò ôçò Γ³Γ₯éñÜò, Γ₯ß÷ÑìΓ₯ ìéÑ Γ³Γ₯éñÜ
> Ñðü Γ₯ñùôÞìÑôÑ, ôÑ ïðïßÑ Γ°Γ₯ñéìÝíÑìΓ₯ Γ­Γ‘ ÑðÑíôçèïýí ìÝóÑ Γ³Γ₯ ÑáôÜ ôÑ 10
> Γ₯Γ°Γ₯éóüÀéÑ ΓΉΓ³Γ΄Γ₯ Γ­Γ‘ ΓͺΓ«Γ₯ßóΓ₯Γ© ÑáôÞ Γ§ éóôïñßÑ.
> 4x11: Sometimes A Great Notion. ÅíÑëëÑΓͺôéΓͺÜ, "Revelations, Part II".
> Ááôü Γ₯ß÷Γ₯ ãáñéóôΓ₯ß ÑìÝóùò Γ¬Γ₯ôÜ ôï Revelations, ΓͺÑé ðñéí ôç ÀéÑΓͺïðÞ ôùí
> ãáñéóìÜôùí ëüãù ôçò ÑðΓ₯Γ±Γ£Γ₯ᥕ ôùí Γ³Γ₯íÑñéïãñÜâùí ôïá 2007, ΓͺÑé èÑ
> ÝðñΓ₯Γ°Γ₯ Γ­Γ‘ ðñïÒëçèΓ₯ß ìÑæß Γ¬Γ₯ Γ₯ΓͺΓ₯ßíç ôçí ðñþôç Γ³Γ₯éñÜ Γ₯Γ°Γ₯éóïÀßùí óÑí
> "Γ₯íÀéÜìΓ₯Γ³Γ― ôÝëïò". ÈÑ ìðïñïýóΓ₯ Γ­Γ‘ ÞôÑí ΓͺÑé ôï ΓͺÑíïíéΓͺΓΌ ôÝëïò, Ñí
> ΓͺñÑôïýóΓ₯ ÑñΓͺΓ₯ôÜ Γ§ ÑðΓ₯Γ±Γ£Γ₯ßÑ ΓΉΓ³Γ΄Γ₯ ôï scifi Γ­Γ‘ Γ¨Γ₯ΓΉΓ±Γ―Γ½Γ³Γ₯ Ñóýìâïñç ôç
> ÀéÑôÞñçóç ôùí Γ³ΓͺΓ§Γ­Γ©ΓͺΓΎΓ­ ΓͺÑé ôÑ ΓͺÑôÝóôñΓ₯ΓΆΓ₯ ãéÑ Γ­Γ‘ Γ₯Γ«Γ₯áèΓ₯Γ±ΓΎΓ³Γ₯Γ© ôï studio.
>
> Äáóôá÷þò üìùò, ôï ÀßΓͺôáï Γ₯ðÝëΓ₯ΓΓ₯ Γ­Γ‘ ìçí ôï ðñïÒÜëëΓ₯Γ© ðÝñóá, ÑëëÜ âÝôïò
> ìÑæß Γ¬Γ₯ ôÑ íÝÑ Γ₯Γ°Γ₯éóüÀéÑ, ðñïΓͺÑëþíôÑò Ýôóé ÝíÑí ÑðßóôΓ₯áôï ΓͺÑé ðÑñÜëïãï
> ïñãÑóìü Γ³Γ₯íÑñßùí óôï internet óôï 9ìçíï ðïá Γ¬Γ₯óïëÜÒçóΓ₯ üðïá üëïé
> Ñó÷ïëéüíôïáóÑí ïáóéÑóôéΓͺÜ ìüíï Γ¬Γ₯ ôï "ðïéüò Γ₯ßíÑé Γ― 5Γ―Γ²", ΓͺÑé ΓΌΓ·Γ© ôÑ
> ðñÑãìÑôéΓͺÜ óçìÑíôéΓͺÜ Γ₯ñùôÞìÑôÑ ðïá ÑéùñïýíôÑí üðùò "Ðïéüò ΓͺÑé ãéÑôß
> ΓͺÑôÝóôñΓ₯ΓΈΓ₯ ôç Ãç;" "Γ•Γ°ΓœΓ±Γ·Γ₯Γ© Üëëïò, âéëüΓΓ₯Γ­Γ―Γ² ðëÑíÞôçò Γ₯ΓͺΓ₯ß ÝΓΓΉ ãéÑ
> Γ₯ìÜò ôþñÑ;" "Ôé ΓͺÜíΓ₯Γ© Γ― Cavil ôþñÑ;" "Ôé ôï ΓΓ₯÷ùñéóôü Ý÷ïáí Ñáôïß Γ― 5
> ÊáëþíΓ₯Γ² ΓͺÑé Γ₯ßíÑé ôüóï ÀéÑâïñΓ₯ôéΓͺïß Ñðü ôïáò Üëëïáò;"
>
> 4x12: A Disquiet Follows My Soul
> "Ù÷, ðùò ãßíΓ₯ôÑé Γ­Γ‘ Γ₯ßíÑé ΓΓ₯÷ùñéóôÞ Γ§ ΒΉΓ±Γ‘, Ñâïý Ý÷ïáìΓ₯ ΓͺÑé Γ€Γ₯Γ½Γ΄Γ₯Γ±Γ―
> ðÑéÀß Áíèñþðïá-ÊáëþíÑ;"
> "ΓƒΓ©Γ‘Γ΄ΓŸ Γ­Γ‘ ìçí ðïýìΓ₯ ïôé Γ― Nicky ÄÅÍ Γ₯ßíÑé ðÑéÀß ôïá Tyrol ÑëëÜ Üëëïá;"
> "ÊÑëÞ éÀÝÑ! Áò ôï ΓͺÜíïáìΓ₯!" (...)
> ÊÑôÜ ôÑ ÜëëÑ, ôÑ ΓͺñßóéìÑ Γ₯ñùôÞìÑôÑ ðïá ìÑò ÑðÑó÷ïëïýí ðÑñÑìÝíïáí
> ÑíÑðÜíôçôÑ. Á, ΓͺÑé... ôé ΓͺÜíΓ₯Γ© Γ§ Ellen ôþñÑ; Γ•Γ°ΓœΓ±Γ·Γ₯Γ© Γ°Γ₯ñßðôùóç Γ­Γ‘ ôçí
> ΓÑíÑÀïýìΓ₯ Þ ìüíï flashbacks;
> ÐñÑãìÑôéΓͺÜ Ñðü ôÑ ×ÅÉÑÏÔÅÑÁ Γ₯Γ°Γ₯éóüÀéÑ ôçò Γ³Γ₯éñÜò. Γ‹Γ₯Γ² ΓͺÑé Ý÷ïáí
> ΓΓ₯Γ¬Γ₯ßíΓ₯Γ© Ñðü éÀÝΓ₯Γ² ΓͺÑé ðñïóðÑèïýí Γ­Γ‘ ΓͺΓ₯ñÀßóïáí Γ·Γ±ΓΌΓ­Γ―. ÊÑé ΓͺÑôÜ ôÑ ÜëëÑ
> æçôïýóÑí ôñßùñï âéíÜëΓ₯.
>
> 4x13-14: Γ‡ ÑíôÑñóßÑ.
> Γ‡ éóôïñßÑ ðïá Γ₯ΓΓ₯ëßóóΓ₯ôÑé Γ³Γ₯ ÑáôÜ ôÑ 2 Γ₯Γ°Γ₯éóüÀéÑ Γ₯ßíÑé Γ… Î Á Γ‰ Γ‘ Γ… Γ” Γ‰
> Ê Γ‡. ÊÑé óÑí óýëëçøç, ΓͺÑé óÑí Γ₯ΓͺôÝëΓ₯Γ³Γ§. Ðïëý óáãΓͺéíçôéΓͺΓΌ ôï ôÝëïò ôïá
> Gaeta, ΓͺÑé ôÑéñéÑóôü Ñáôü ôïá Zarek. ¼ìùò, ÑðëÜ Γ€Γ₯Γ­ ôÑéñéÜæΓ₯Γ© Γ₯Àþ Γ„Γ₯Γ­
> ðñï÷ùñÜ ôçí éóôïñßÑ Γ£Γ₯Γ­Γ©ΓͺÜ (Γ₯ðéóôñÝâïáìΓ₯ óôÑ ðéï ðÜíù) ΓͺÑé èÑ ôÑßñéÑæΓ₯
> ΓͺÑëýôΓ₯Γ±Γ‘ óôçí ôñßôç óÑéæüí ìÜëëïí. ΒΉ óôï ðñþôï ìéóü ôçò ôÝôÑñôçò, ΓΌΓ·Γ©
> ôþñÑ.
> ÐüôΓ₯ Γ₯ßðÑìΓ₯ üôé èÑ ðÜñïáìΓ₯ ÑðÑíôÞóΓ₯éò;
>
> 4x15: No Exit
> ÅÀþ Γ₯ßíÑé óÑí Γ­Γ‘ ìÑò Ý÷ïáí ÀÝóΓ₯Γ© óôçí ΓͺÑñÝΓͺëÑ ΓͺÑé Γ­Γ‘ ÝÒÑëÑí ìéÑ ôçí
> Ellen ΓͺÑé ìéÑ ôïí Anders Γ­Γ‘ ìÑò ÀéÑÒÜæïáí ôçí éóôïñßÑ ôïáò. ÍÑé Γ¬Γ₯Γ­
> ðÞñÑìΓ₯ ÑñΓͺΓ₯ôÝò ðëçñïâïñßΓ₯Γ², ÑëëÜ Ýôóé; Γ„Γ₯Γ­ èÑ ìðïñïýóÑí Γ­Γ‘ ôÑ Γ₯íôÜΓïáí
> óéãÜ óéãÜ Γ³Γ₯ ÀéÜâïñΓ₯Γ² Γ³ΓͺçíÝò ìÝóÑ óôÑ 4 ðñïçãïýìΓ₯Γ­Γ‘ Γ₯Γ°Γ₯éóüÀéÑ; Γ…ΓŸΓ·Γ‘Γ¬Γ₯
> ΓͺÑé ÝíÑ èÝìÑ Γ¬Γ₯ ôï ÷ÑìÝíï Γ­Γ―Γ½Γ¬Γ₯Γ±Γ― ( #7 ), ìÑò óÝñÒéñÑí ôç ÀÑΓͺΓ±Γ½Γ’Γ₯÷ôç
> éóôïñßÑ ôïá Daniel ðïá Γ³ΓͺüôùóΓ₯ Γ― ΓͺΓ‘ΓͺΓΌΓ² æçëéÜñçò Cavil, ΓͺÑé Γ― ïñãÑóìüò
> óðÝΓͺïáëÑò ΓÑíÑΓΓ₯ΓͺßíçóΓ₯ >_<
>
> to be continued...
>
> [*] 
> http://web.archive.org/web/20070208103915/http://www.galactica2003.net/articles/concept.shtml 
> <http://web.archive.org/web/20070208103915/http://www.galactica2003.net/articles/concept.shtml>
>
> 2009/5/18 Michael Papagermanos <[email protected] 
> <mailto:michael.papagermanos%40comcast.net>>:
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> > ÑðïãïÞôΓ₯áóç; ãéÑôß;
> >
> > Stavros Giannouris wrote:
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> > On Sat, 2 May 2009 13:10:51 +0200
> > "Petros Avlitis" <[email protected] 
> <mailto:proplasma%40orange.nl>> wrote:
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> > To Caprica???
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> > Ôï Γ₯ßÀÑ Γ·Γ΄Γ₯Γ², ΓͺÑé âÑßíΓ₯ôÑé ðïëý ΓͺÑëü. ΒΆΓ°Γ₯éñΓ₯Γ² Γ­Γ½ΓΓ₯éò ãéÑ ôéò
> > "Γ¬Γ₯ëëïíôéΓͺÝò" Γ₯ΓΓ₯ëßΓΓ₯éò, ðïá ìðïñïýí Γ­Γ‘ ôï ΓͺÜíïáí ÝíÑ Ñðü ôÑ ΓͺÑëýôΓ₯Γ±Γ‘
> > serials.
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> > (¸ôóé ãéÑ Γ­Γ‘ ëÝìΓ₯ ΓͺÜôé.)
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> > ÐÝôñïò
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> > ÍÑ ôï ÀïýìΓ₯ ÀçëÑÀÞ;
> > ÌΓ₯ôÜ ôçí ÑðïãïÞôΓ₯áóç ôïá ôÝëïáò ôïá BSG, âïÒÜìÑé Γ­Γ‘ ÑããßΓΓΉ ïôéÀÞðïôΓ₯
> > Ý÷Γ₯Γ© ÒÜëΓ₯Γ© ôï ÷Ýñé ôïá Γ― Moore ΓͺÑé Γ§ Espenson :(
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> > -S.
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