Re: [SwF] stop the maddness!

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Question: There is a book entitled "The Complete Idiot's Guide to Understan=
ding Islam". It discusses within it many things, including the etymology of=
 the word "mosque". It says that this word is derived from the Spanish word=
 for "mosquito". It claims that the word was first used during the Christia=
n invasion of Muslim Spain in the 15th century when the forces of King Ferd=
inand and Queen Isabella boasted they would swat out Muslim prayer houses l=
ike so many mosquitoes. Is this true?=20

Answered by the Scientific Research Committee - IslamToday.net

This etymology is incorrect.

The Spanish word for "mosquito" is mosquito and literally means "little fly=
". This is a case where the English language borrowed the word directly fro=
m the Spanish.=20

The word for "fly" in Spanish is mosca, which is derived from the Latin mus=
ca. The diminutive suffix "-ito" is attached to it to form the word mosquit=
o or "little fly".=20

The Spanish term for "mosque" is mezquita, derived from the old Spanish mes=
quita. This word was most certainly derived from the Arabic word masjid, wh=
ich many Arabs then and now pronounce as masgid.

In Spain during the era of Muslim rule =E2=80=93 and this was before the ti=
me of King Ferdinand =E2=80=93 Spanish speakers were using the word mosquit=
o for the insect and the word mesquita for the Muslim place of worship. The=
 two words are not related to one another in any way.=20

The word "mosque" was introduced into the English language in the late 14th=
 or early 15th century from the French. It comes from the French word mosqu=
=D0=B9e from the old French word mousquaie . The French, in turn, derived t=
he word from the Italian word moschea from moscheta. The Italians got it ei=
ther directly from the Arabic word masjid or from the old Spanish mesquita.

References:
The American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language , Fourth Edition; =
=C2=A9 2000 Houghton Mifflin Company.=20
Online Etymology Dictionary, ETYMOLOGY Moo-Muc http://www.etymonline.com/m8=
etym.htm
  ----- Original Message -----=20
  From: ~FurSid -=20
  To: me=20
  Sent: 22 March, 2006 1:39 PM
  Subject: [SwF] stop the maddness!




  I received this stupidity from someone ...


    I received the following from a friend.  The information is news to me.=
  Have you heard of these before?


      It's been observed that most of us write "MOSQUE" for
      "Masjid" and even calling it as Mosque in daily routine, what elders =
and
      Teachers say that the word "MOSQUE" means the house of mosquitoes not
      Masjid. So better be careful next time instead of writing mosque, u c=
an
      write MASJID it doesn't matter..


      Most we have seen the spelling of MAKKAH as
      MECCA. The word MECCA means "Sharab Khaana" . So lets all of us be
      careful of writing MECCA.


      Many people whose name start with Muhammed, write in a
      short form as "Mohd". This "Mohd" means"A dog which has a big mouth".


      Guys please forward this message to as many muslim brothers and siste=
rs
      as possible


  here is my response:


  I have never come across any of these because they did not exist before.


  They are nothing more than a stupid fundamentalist prank preying upon bri=
stling Muslim senitivities to further divide the growing chasm proposed (an=
d engineered, in some ways) by those who created and supported the Clash of=
 Civilization theories. The intelligence of the latter group (the NeoCons a=
nd others) was to correctly predict the sad results by betting on the stupi=
dity of the former (the Fundamentalists in particular and the Illiterate Um=
mah in general).


  Here are some specifics, if you are not convinced of my immediate negatio=
n.


  The word, Mecca, does not - for instance - mean sharaab_khaanah! I'd like=
 your friend, who was quick to circulate this crap further, to show me wher=
e he found such a meaning in any authentic dictionary. The common usage of =
the word Mecca - or mecca -  in English (derived from the position of Mecca=
 among Muslims) implies 'centre' or 'important meeting point' or a place to=
 which people of a special group flock, as in "Wimbledon is the Mecca of Te=
nnis" and Hawaai is "the tourist mecca". Such derived usages in English are=
 common within the Western culture. For example, Wisden is often called "Th=
e Cricket Bible" and "Gibbon's is the Bible of stamp collectors" are common=
 similes used. Less used but seen in major writings are phrases like "The h=
oly grail of drug addicts ..". However, there is no doubt in many minds tha=
t the insensitivity displayed in the naming of the fairly old chain known a=
s Mecca Dancing Clubs (a very popular series of dance halls that may also h=
ouse drinking areas in the UK) was not entirely an act of naive usage of la=
nguage.


  BTW there are two towns in the USA (in California and Indiana) called Mec=
ca. MECCA is also the acronym for Model Evaluation Consortium for Climate A=
ssessment and Missile Environment Computer Control Analysis that I know of =
... and there are bound to be others.


  The word Mosque is much easier to trace: [French mosqu=C3=A9e, from Old F=
rench mousquaie, from Old Italian moschea, or moscheta, from Old Spanish me=
zquita, from Arabic masjid.] and has nothing whatsoevr to do with the origi=
n of Mosquito [Spanish and Portuguese diminutive of mosca, and Latin musca,=
 meaning fly - as in the insect. A more interesting derivative of the same =
root is 'musket', the weapons from which ammo flies out! In fact the 'shot'=
 emanating from the musket shares more characteristics with the insect: it =
flies, buzzes, and stings!]. Incidentally, Mosquito is also the name of an =
American Indian tribe.


  Mohd is a non-word (the combination of letters has no possible base in an=
y of the Western Romance languages and gives away the inventor's illiteracy=
). I think the Muslim who has 'invented' this definition - or, at least, ga=
ve curency to this via email, to create alarm - is more guilty of 'blasphem=
y' than those he deceptively accuses. Googling this in dictionaries or thes=
auri will not offer up any such word, I assure you. I shall not even try to=
 confirm this; that's how confident I am. However, with theis emailed crap =
floating around, I have no doubt that this new insult to The Prophet will b=
ecome added to the current usage in many languages. One test of my predicti=
on would be to google it now (all across Google, as well as in the dictiona=
ry section alone) ... where it'll turn up nothing ... and in a few months f=
rom now, when it will indicate the meaning given it, in most cases, with re=
ference to this email. Years later, the origin will have been forgotten and=
 another obnoxious word set in motion.


  The circulation of such idiotic mail will eventually result in someone's =
head (possibly on Muslim shoulders) getting bashed - somewhere, someday. Th=
at this is not considered by the idiotic Muslims who buy into such shit use=
d to amaze me ... but nothing about anyone leaning towards the right does t=
hat any more. On the other hand, one could look on with mere amusement, if =
it wasn't for the toll this takes on the already rotting minds of our youth=
.


  Please forward this message, too, "to as many muslim brothers and sisters=
" (and those you feel less siblingy about!) as possible. Such madness has t=
o stop!!!


  Love/ABJ


-- You know, Truth can be really powerful stuff. You're not expecting it.
  Kurt Vonnegut

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  cell: [ 0333-3966966 ]
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size=3D2>Question:</FONT></STRONG><EM><FONT face=3DVerdana size=3D2> </FONT=
><FONT=20
color=3D#000080><FONT face=3DVerdana size=3D2>There is a book entitled <FON=
T=20
color=3D#800080>"<EM>The Complete Idiot's Guide to Understanding=20
Islam"</EM></FONT>. It discusses within it many things, including the etymo=
logy=20
of the word "mosque". It says that this word is derived from the Spanish wo=
rd=20
for "mosquito". It claims that the word was first used during the Christian=
=20
invasion of Muslim Spain in the 15th century when the forces of King Ferdin=
and=20
and Queen Isabella boasted they would swat out Muslim prayer houses like so=
 many=20
mosquitoes. Is this true? </FONT></FONT></EM></DIV>
<DIV><EM></EM>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><EM><STRONG><FONT color=3D#800080 size=3D4>Answered by the Scientific =
Research=20
Committee - IslamToday.net</FONT></STRONG></EM></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DVerdana color=3D#000080 size=3D2>This etymology is=20
incorrect.<BR><BR>The Spanish word for "mosquito" is <EM>mosquito</EM> and=
=20
literally means "little fly". This is a case where the English language bor=
rowed=20
the word directly from the Spanish. <BR><BR>The word for "fly" in Spanish i=
s=20
<EM>mosca</EM>, which is derived from the Latin <EM>musca</EM>. The diminut=
ive=20
suffix "<EM>-ito</EM>" is attached to it to form the word <EM>mosquito</EM>=
 or=20
"little fly". <BR><BR>The Spanish term for "mosque" is <EM>mezquita</EM>,=20
derived from the old Spanish
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FT: #000080 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
  <DIV=20
  style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>Fro=
m:</B>=20
  <A [email protected] href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">~FurSid -</A=
> </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A [email protected]=20
  href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">me</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> 22 March, 2006 1:39 PM</DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [SwF] stop the maddness!<=
/DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV><BR clear=3Dall>
  <DIV><B>I received this stupidity from someone</B> ...</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <BLOCKQUOTE cite=3D"" type=3D"cite"><FONT color=3D#0000ff>I received the =
following=20
    from a friend. &nbsp;The information is news to me. &nbsp;Have you hear=
d of=20
    these before?</FONT></BLOCKQUOTE>
  <BLOCKQUOTE cite=3D"" type=3D"cite"><BR>
    <BLOCKQUOTE cite=3D"" type=3D"cite">It's been observed that most of us =
write=20
      "MOSQUE" for</BLOCKQUOTE>
    <BLOCKQUOTE cite=3D"" type=3D"cite">"Masjid" and even calling it as Mos=
que in=20
      daily routine, what elders and</BLOCKQUOTE>
    <BLOCKQUOTE cite=3D"" type=3D"cite">Teachers say that the word "MOSQUE"=
 means=20
      the house of mosquitoes not</BLOCKQUOTE>
    <BLOCKQUOTE cite=3D"" type=3D"cite">Masjid. So better be careful next t=
ime=20
      instead of writing mosque, u can</BLOCKQUOTE>
    <BLOCKQUOTE cite=3D"" type=3D"cite">write MASJID it doesn't=20
matter..</BLOCKQUOTE>
    <BLOCKQUOTE cite=3D"" type=3D"cite"><BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
    <BLOCKQUOTE cite=3D"" type=3D"cite">Most we have seen the spelling of M=
AKKAH=20
    as</BLOCKQUOTE>
    <BLOCKQUOTE cite=3D"" type=3D"cite">MECCA. The word MECCA means "Sharab=
=20
      Khaana" . So lets all of us be</BLOCKQUOTE>
    <BLOCKQUOTE cite=3D"" type=3D"cite">careful of writing MECCA.</BLOCKQUO=
TE>
    <BLOCKQUOTE cite=3D"" type=3D"cite"><BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
    <BLOCKQUOTE cite=3D"" type=3D"cite">Many people whose name start with=20
      Muhammed, write in a</BLOCKQUOTE>
    <BLOCKQUOTE cite=3D"" type=3D"cite">short form as "Mohd". This "Mohd" m=
eans"A=20
      dog which has a big mouth".</BLOCKQUOTE>
    <BLOCKQUOTE cite=3D"" type=3D"cite"><BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
    <BLOCKQUOTE cite=3D"" type=3D"cite">Guys please forward this message to=
 as=20
      many muslim brothers and sisters</BLOCKQUOTE>
    <BLOCKQUOTE cite=3D"" type=3D"cite">as possible</BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOT=
E>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV><B>here is my response:</B></DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV>I have never come across any of these because they did not exist=20
  before.</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV>They are nothing more than a stupid fundamentalist prank preying upo=
n=20
  bristling Muslim senitivities to further divide the growing chasm propose=
d=20
  (and engineered, in some ways) by those who created and supported the Cla=
sh of=20
  Civilization theories. The intelligence of the latter group (the NeoCons =
and=20
  others) was to correctly predict the sad results by betting on the stupid=
ity=20
  of the former (the Fundamentalists in particular and the Illiterate Ummah=
 in=20
  general).</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV>Here are some specifics, if you are not convinced of my immediate=20
  negation.</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV>The word,<B> Mecca</B>, does not - for instance - mean<I>=20
  sharaab_khaanah</I>! I'd like your friend, who was quick to circulate thi=
s=20
  crap further, to show me where he found such a meaning in any authentic=20
  dictionary. The common usage of the word Mecca - or mecca -&nbsp; in Engl=
ish=20
  (derived from the position of Mecca among Muslims) implies 'centre' or=20
  'important meeting point' or a place to which people of a special group f=
lock,=20
  as in "Wimbledon is the Mecca of Tennis" and Hawaai is "the tourist mecca=
".=20
  Such derived usages in English are common within the Western culture. For=
=20
  example, Wisden is often called "The Cricket Bible" and "Gibbon's is the =
Bible=20
  of stamp collectors" are common similes used. Less used but seen in major=
=20
  writings are phrases like "The holy grail of drug addicts ...". However, =
there=20
  is no doubt in many minds that the insensitivity displayed in the naming =
of=20
  the fairly old chain known as Mecca Dancing Clubs (a very popular series =
of=20
  dance halls that may also house drinking areas in the UK) was not entirel=
y an=20
  act of naive usage of language.</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV>BTW there are two towns in the USA (in California and Indiana) calle=
d=20
  Mecca. MECCA is also the acronym for<FONT color=3D#000000><I> Model Evalu=
ation=20
  Consortium for Climate Assessment</I> and<I> Missile Environment Computer=
=20
  Control Analysis</I></FONT> that I know of ... and there are bound to be=
=20
  others.</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV>The word<B> Mosque</B> is much easier to trace:<FONT color=3D#000000=
>=20
  [French<I> mosqu=C3=A9e</I>, from Old French<I> mousquaie</I>, from Old I=
talian<I>=20
  moschea</I>, or<I> moscheta</I>, from Old Spanish<I> mezquita</I>, from=20
  Arabic<I> masjid</I>.]</FONT> and has nothing whatsoevr to do with the or=
igin=20
  of Mosquito<FONT color=3D#000000> [Spanish and Portuguese diminutive of<I=
>=20
  mosca</I>, and Latin<I> musca</I>, meaning<I> fly -</I> as in the insect.=
 A=20
  more interesting derivative of the same root is 'musket', the weapons fro=
m=20
  which ammo<I> flies</I> out! In fact the 'shot' emanating from the musket=
=20
  shares more characteristics with the insect: it flies, buzzes, and=20
  stings!]</FONT>. Incidentally,<I> Mosquito</I> is also the name of an Ame=
rican=20
  Indian tribe.</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV><B>Mohd</B> is a<I> non-word</I> (the combination of letters has no=
=20
  possible base in any of the Western Romance languages and gives away the<=
I>=20
  inventor's</I> illiteracy). I think the Muslim who has 'invented' this=20
  definition - or, at least, gave curency to this via email, to create alar=
m -=20
  is more guilty of 'blasphemy' than those he deceptively accuses. Googling=
 this=20
  in dictionaries or thesauri will not offer up any such word, I assure you=
. I=20
  shall not even try to confirm this; that's how confident I am. However, w=
ith=20
  theis emailed crap floating around, I have no doubt that this new insult =
to=20
  The Prophet will become added to the current usage in many languages. One=
 test=20
  of my prediction would be to google it now (all across Google, as well as=
 in=20
  the dictionary section alone) ... where it'll turn up nothing ... and in =
a few=20
  months from now, when it will indicate the meaning given it, in most case=
s,=20
  with reference to this email. Years later, the origin will have been forg=
otten=20
  and another obnoxious word set in motion.</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV>The circulation of such idiotic mail will eventually result in someo=
ne's=20
  head (possibly on Muslim shoulders) getting bashed - somewhere, someday. =
That=20
  this is not considered by the idiotic Muslims who buy into such shit<I>=20
  used</I> to amaze me ... but nothing about anyone leaning towards the rig=
ht=20
  does that any more. On the other hand, one<I> could</I> look on with mere=
=20
  amusement, if it wasn't for the toll this takes on the already rotting mi=
nds=20
  of our youth.</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT color=3D#ff0000>Please forward<I> this</I> message, too, "to a=
s many=20
  muslim brothers and sisters" (and those you feel less siblingy about!) as=
=20
  possible. Such madness has to stop!!!</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV>Love/ABJ</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV><PRE>-- <BR></PRE>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DGeneva color=3D#ff0000>You know, Truth can be really po=
werful=20
  stuff. You're not expecting it.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D-1><I>Kurt Vonnegut</I></FONT></DIV><BR=
>--=20
  <BR>~FurSid<BR>cell: [ 0333-3966966 ]<BR>gMail: <A=20
  href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</A><BR>msn messenger: <=
A=20
  href=3D"mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</A><BR>blog: <A=20
  href=3D"http://fursid.eomag.com">http://fursid.eomag.com</A> </tt>



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