Re: Can anything be done about this

Harry Putnam posted on Sat, 12 Aug 2017 10:05:00 -0400 as excerpted:

> Ran into a posting problem on gmane.mail.postfix.user
> 
> I got the first auth notice from gmane and subscribed, receiving notice
> the moderator that I was subscribed.
> 
> I've since posted at least 6 messages over about a 10 days or so, each
> time I get the gmane auth thing.  3 of those times I tried resubscribing
> incase something hadn't gone thru... but each time received back a
> response saying I was already subscribed.

You're misunderstanding the gmane auth message.

There are two entirely separate authentication/subscriptions here.  
You've apparently done one, but not the other.

When you post to a gmane "group" via gmane, gmane checks to see whether 
the address you used to post is in its records as having authenticated 
for that group/list before.

If you haven't, *gmane* (not the target list and list-serv, which hasn't 
seen the message at all yet) sends your posting address an authentication 
challenge, the goal being to verify two things, first, that the address 
actually exists, and second, that the person in control of that address 
actually sent and approves the forwarding of that message.

Assuming it's actually your email address, you should get that challenge, 
and can respond back to gmane (*NOT* to the list-serv), proving to gmane 
that you sent the original post and can get mail at the address you used.

Once you verify to gmane that you control the email address you used and 
confirm that you did indeed intend to send the message to that list/
group, gmane can now forward it to the list-serv controlling the list 
that the gmane group you posted to represents.

Then it's up to that list-serv and the rules it enforces for that list 
whether your post actually makes it to the list.  In the case of "open" 
lists, your post will be directly posted (assuming it doesn't run afoul 
of other rules, generally related to controlling spam, like no HTML to 
Linux kernel related lists, etc).

Then there are "closed" lists, which only post messages from actual list 
subscribers.

Finally, there are "moderated" lists, which can also be considered 
"partially open" or "delayed open" lists.  These tend to be more common 
than fully open lists these days due to spam.  If you're subscribed (at 
the list-serv) to these lists, your posts go thru as if they were posted 
to an open list.  If not, and your post makes it thru the automated spam 
filters, your post is forwarded to a moderator, who will read the message 
and will either manually approve and post the message, or delete it as 
spam.


In all three cases it's worth noting that subscribing to the list at the 
list-serv level is entirely separate from the gmane confirmation thing.  
If you don't want to reply via gmane, you can of course post your message 
to the list-serv directly, bypassing gmane, and it'll be processed using 
the open/moderated/closed rules above, depending on which of the three 
types of list it is.

Or you can reply via gmane, confirm via gmane, and then gmane will 
forward the message to the list-serv, which will then post or drop the 
message according to its own rules as described above.


What you've apparently done is subscribe to the list via its list-serv, 
so you can post directly to the list, but you haven't yet completed the 
gmane confirmation step, so all the messages you send via gmane get held, 
pending that confirmation, and never make it to the list-serv, where 
you've already subscribed to the list in question.

So you must confirm via gmane that you exist at the email address you 
used and want to actually post from it to that list.  Then gmane can 
forward your message to the list-serv and thus to the list.


Now the caveat.  As I had my usual group/list gmane authorizations setup 
long before the ownership change, I haven't personally verified whether 
the gmane authorizations process works correctly now or not.  What I 
/can/ say is that one user posted here that it worked for him, so based 
on that, I can say it /should/ work.  However, if it doesn't, you can 
still use gmane to read messages, and simply reply via email to the list 
address (make sure it's the list address, not the author of the email 
themselves, if you want it to go to the list) directly, bypassing gmane 
for posting.


Meanwhile, given that you've posted multiple messages in the meantime, 
consider which one you actually confirm via gmane's confirmation prompt 
message.  Because the others will be dropped.  If you want them sent too, 
you'll need to dig them out of your sent messages and resend them after 
confirming your address to gmane for the one you actually confirm.

-- 
Duncan - List replies preferred.   No HTML msgs.
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