Re: Munged lists are practically ususable for the general audience

Dmitry writes:

> Adam Sjøgren <[email protected]> wrote:

[Setting up DKIM to sign outgoing news articles:]

>>>> I don't see how any NNTP client could do that out of the box

> Why do not you?

As I wrote: because the DKIM public key has to be added to the DNS of
the domain. That's not something I can see an NNTP client doing easily.

>> You can post through Gmane if you want...
>
> ...to implement DKIM for your newsreader or disable DMARC for your
> domain first (if you do not own the domain you use, you can do neither
> of that)...

We've been over this. If you do not do either of those, you are at the
same level as with address encryption turned on. So it's the same. Not
worse.

>> ...or you can send an email to mailing list address if you want...

> ...if you know it (or know to how to obtain it), and have a newsreader
> that allows you to substitute cryptic addresses for real addresses.

I would expect most people following a mailing list to be able to figure
out what the address of said list is.

If not, they can look it up on https://admin.gmane.io

> Not even Gnus have that feature out of a box, to the best of my
> knowledge.

Of course Gnus does :-) Look at group parameters:

  "The following group parameters can be used:

    to-address
      Address used by when doing followups and new posts.

      (to-address . "[email protected]")

      This is primarily useful in mail groups that represent closed
      mailing lists—mailing lists where it’s expected that everybody
      that writes to the mailing list is subscribed to it. Since using
      this parameter ensures that the mail only goes to the mailing list
      itself, it means that members won’t receive two copies of your
      followups."

 · https://www.gnus.org/manual/gnus_21.html#Group-Parameters

A quick look in the changelog indicates that this functionality is from
2001.

>> I don't see how address encryption affects that choice in any way?

> If does not affect _that_ choice normally — _both_ alternatives are
> no-go for most users.

Great, then we agree.

> Why do you believe, that this kind of unsolicited discrimination
> against their lists should make list owners any happier?

I think I have made that quite clear several times by now.

>> I think we are starting to go in circles now, didn't we start with this?

> No, I believe, I have been managing to come with some fresh arguments
> in every my letter so far.

Ok, we'll have to disagree on that.


  Best regards,

    Adam

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