Re: ...words from the other side...

Hi Mike,

[[email protected] Fri, Oct 11, 2002 at 01:26:05AM -0400]
> [...]
> I want to allow users to assemble and re-order my elements with little  
> server interaction/latency, and feel like they are rapidly adding  
> content into workflow.
> [...]
> What I want, to allow users to
> 	- pick elements from a menu,
> 	- populate these elements
> 	- re-order or delete elements if necessary
> 	- change element assignment for a data block if applicable

Good points.  I'd add basic WYSIWYG-editing  for the "populate elements"
part. But you disagree ...

> If I really want a full blown editor, I will spend the time to  
> customize Dreamweaver.   It will take about as long.
> 
> I do not care if folks get to highlight a bunch of text and make it  
> bold or italic, like wordpad.

Funny, i thought that's the whole point of a WYSIWYG-editor and 
Bitflux & Xopus, respectively. 

Note that i still completly agree that having low-latency workflow
and document manipulation is an important goal, too.  

> If I care about that, then likely I will care a lot about the resulting  
> code.
> - will it be simple html? <b></b>
> - a css span? <span  
> class="make_bold_so_editor_can_review_this_string"></span>
> - etc, etc.

I care about the experience for the user because that's what
the user cares about <wink>.  I am a user in my other life, anyway :-)

> On browsers, well now.  I will never experience the goodness that is  
> xopus on my main deck, a Mac OSX laptop.   I was a confirmed Netscape  
> hater now turned Mozilla fan.   I say what is the harm in building apps  
> for Moz only, it could be gtk or deplphi instead, but luckily this  
> might work on my Mac!

Oh, you can use QT for cross-platform applications, too.  Probably the
most advanced GUI-API today.  But browsers already exist everywhere.  Thus

1) Having a pure browser-application lets you  largely ignore 
   administrative/installation tasks. For 4 computers it doesn't 
   matter for 370 computers it starts to bother you. For thousands 
   of computers with different environments it's a pain.

2) Having a decent editor for today's web-CMSes would enhance the 
   user-experience a lot.  They could leverage their knowledge of 
   a "standalone" word-processor with the power of work-flow 
   based collaboration and publishing.  

just my 2c,

    holger
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