Re: Possible to install jEdit on a new Mac?
Vampire <[email protected]> Fri, 17 Nov 2023 13:51:33 +0100
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--===============2394865353210312922== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000004204ce060a58997d" --0000000000004204ce060a58997d Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yeah, the issue with the naming scheme is reported at https://github.com/TheInfiniteKind/appbundler/issues/55. But when no matching version is found and as no `-F` is used, it should then return a default and that should hopefully be 21 for you. If that is the Java 8 one for you, it will then fail for the major version comparison. But if it returns the Java 21 one, it should usually work. What are these four commands returning? /usr/libexec/java_home -v 1.11+ jEdit.app/Contents/MacOS/jedit --verbose echo $JAVA_ARCH find $(/usr/libexec/java_home -V 2>&1 | grep Contents/Home | rev | cut -d ' ' -f 1 | rev | sort -u) -type f -name libjli.dylib Cheers Bj=C3=B6rn Am Fr., 17. Nov. 2023 um 12:16 Uhr schrieb Gregory Garretson < [email protected]>: > Hi Bj=C3=B6rn, > > Thanks for this. Unfortunately, the new macOS launcher encounters the sam= e > problem as the one for 5.6. I get the error message that Java 11 is > required, and I should update Java. Now, without having dug very deep int= o > the C code, I can see two possible reasons for this. > > The first is that it stops when it encounters the Java internet plugin, > which in my case is 1.8: > > /usr/libexec/java_home -V > Matching Java Virtual Machines (3): > 21.0.1 (arm64) "Oracle Corporation" - "Java SE 21.0.1" > /Library/Java/JavaVirtualMachines/jdk-21.jdk/Contents/Home > 21.0.1 (arm64) "Eclipse Adoptium" - "OpenJDK 21.0.1" > /Library/Java/JavaVirtualMachines/temurin-21.jdk/Contents/Home > 1.8.391.13 (x86_64) "Oracle Corporation" - "Java" /Library/Internet > Plug-Ins/JavaAppletPlugin.plugin/Contents/Home > > There is no update available from Java for this plugin. > > (You can also see from the above that usr/libexec/java_home does lead to > the JDK without problem.) > > The other possibility is suggested by this code in > appbundler/native/main.m: > > /** > * Searches for a JRE or JDK dylib of the specified version or later. > * First checks the "usual" JRE location, and failing that looks for a > JDK. > * The version required should be a string of form "1.X". If no version = is > * specified or the version is pre-1.7, then a Java 1.7 is sought. > */ > NSString * findJavaDylib ( > NSString *jvmRequired, > bool jrePreferred, > bool jdkPreferred, > bool isDebugging, > bool exactMatch) > {...} > > Since Java is no longer using the nomenclature 1.7, 1.8, etc., then maybe > this is parsing the name of the version incorrectly? The version here is > 21, but this method may not be finding it because it expects a string of > the form 1.x. Might that be the problem? > > I will look at this again in more detail when I have more time. Meanwhile= , > I really appreciate any suggestions anybody can make. > > Cheers, > Gregory > > > On Nov 17, 2023, at 3:12 AM, Vampire <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi Gregory, > > I was about to release 5.7.0 and there also updated the macOS app bundler= . > Maybe you could quickly try > https://www.swisstransfer.com/d/b8bcf63b-b3d3-403c-a0ea-fd3adb6d83bd ? > Actually, I don't think it changes much in what Java is discovered, from > what I have seen in the changes, but who knows. > > If you are able to read C code, you could maybe see from > https://github.com/evolvedbinary/appbundler/blob/main/appbundler/native/m= ain.m > where Java runtimes are searched for. > From a very cursory look, I'd say it first searches for `/Library/Interne= t > Plug-Ins/JavaAppletPlugin.plugin/Contents/Home/bin/java` > and then uses `/usr/libexec/java_home` to find a matching JVM. > > If neither brings a result, it fails. > > Besides that Oracle Java is anyway questionable to be used since they > changed their licensing. > So maybe you also try with Temurin as Bobb suggested. > > Cheers > Bj=C3=B6rn > > Am 07.11.2023 18:07, schrieb Gregory Garretson: > > Hi Jack, > > Thanks, but I=E2=80=99m afraid it doesn=E2=80=99t seem to. I=E2=80=99ve i= nstalled both the JRE and > the JDK, but jEdit still tells me to install Java 11 or later, even thoug= h > I get this: > > java --version > java 21.0.1 2023-10-17 LTS > Java(TM) SE Runtime Environment (build 21.0.1+12-LTS-29) > Java HotSpot(TM) 64-Bit Server VM (build 21.0.1+12-LTS-29, mixed mode, > sharing) > > Any more thoughts? > > Thanks, > Gregory > > > On Nov 7, 2023, at 4:56 PM, Jack W. <[email protected]> > <[email protected]> wrote: > > Does this help? > https://docs.oracle.com/en/java/javase/11/install/installation-jdk-macos.= html > > On Tue, Nov 7, 2023 at 9:35=E2=80=AFAM Gregory Garretson < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> Now I have a MacBook with an M3 Apple Silicon processor. >> >> My problem is that while jEdit 5.6 successfully installs on the machine, >> it doesn=E2=80=99t detect Java. It looks for Java 11, > > > -- > Jack Woehr # If it doesn't work in Firefox, > Box 82, Beulah CO 81023 # it's broken. > http://www.softwoehr.com # Just Say No to Chrome. > > > > > > > > > --0000000000004204ce060a58997d Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Yeah, the issue with the naming scheme is reported at= <a href=3D"https://github.com/TheInfiniteKind/appbundler/issues/55">https:= //github.com/TheInfiniteKind/appbundler/issues/55</a>.<br></div><div>But wh= en no matching version is found and as no `-F` is used, it should then retu= rn a default and that should hopefully be 21 for you.</div><div>If that is = the Java 8 one for you, it will then fail for the major version comparison.= </div><div>But if it returns the Java 21 one, it should usually work.</div>= <div><br></div><div>What are these four commands returning?</div><div><br><= /div><div>/usr/libexec/java_home -v 1.11+<br></div><div><br></div><div>jEdi= t.app/Contents/MacOS/jedit --verbose<br></div><div><br></div><div>echo $JAV= A_ARCH<br></div><div><br></div><div>find $(/usr/libexec/java_home -V 2>&= amp;1 | grep Contents/Home | rev | cut -d ' ' -f 1 | rev | sort -u)= -type f -name libjli.dylib<br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Che= ers</div><div>Bj=C3=B6rn</div><div><br></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_= quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">Am Fr., 17. Nov. 2023 um 12:16= =C2=A0Uhr schrieb Gregory Garretson <<a href=3D"mailto:subscriber@garret= son.info">[email protected]</a>>:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"= gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(20= 4,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div>Hi Bj=C3=B6rn,<div><br></div><div>Thanks = for this. Unfortunately, the new macOS launcher encounters the same problem= as the one for 5.6. I get the error message that Java 11 is required, and = I should update Java. Now, without having dug very deep into the C code, I = can see two possible reasons for this.</div><div><br></div><div>The first i= s that it stops when it encounters the Java internet plugin, which in my ca= se is 1.8:</div><div><br></div><div><div>/usr/libexec/java_home -V</div><di= v>Matching Java Virtual Machines (3):</div><div>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 21.0.1 (arm64= ) "Oracle Corporation" - "Java SE 21.0.1" /Library/Java= /JavaVirtualMachines/jdk-21.jdk/Contents/Home</div><div>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 21.0.= 1 (arm64) "Eclipse Adoptium" - "OpenJDK 21.0.1" /Librar= y/Java/JavaVirtualMachines/temurin-21.jdk/Contents/Home</div><div>=C2=A0 = =C2=A0 1.8.391.13 (x86_64) "Oracle Corporation" - "Java"= ; /Library/Internet Plug-Ins/JavaAppletPlugin.plugin/Contents/Home</div><di= v><br></div><div>There is no update available from Java for this plugin.</d= iv><div><br></div><div>(You can also see from the above that usr/libexec/ja= va_home does lead to the JDK without problem.)</div><div><br></div><div>The= other possibility is suggested by this code in appbundler/native/main.m:</= div><div><br></div><div><div>/**</div><div>=C2=A0* =C2=A0Searches for a JRE= or JDK dylib of the specified version or later.</div><div>=C2=A0* =C2=A0Fi= rst checks the "usual" JRE location, and failing that looks for a= JDK.</div><div>=C2=A0* =C2=A0The version required should be a string of fo= rm "1.X". If no version is</div><div>=C2=A0* =C2=A0specified or t= he version is pre-1.7, then a Java 1.7 is sought.</div><div>=C2=A0*/</div><= div>NSString * findJavaDylib (</div><div>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0= =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 NSString *jvmRequi= red,</div><div>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 bool jrePreferred,</div><div>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 bool jdkPreferred,</div><div>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 bool isDebugging,</div><di= v>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 bool exactMatch)</div><div>{...}</div></div><div><br></di= v><div>Since Java is no longer using the nomenclature 1.7, 1.8, etc., then = maybe this is parsing the name of the version incorrectly? The version here= is 21, but this method may not be finding it because it expects a string o= f the form 1.x. Might that be the problem?</div><div><br></div><div>I will = look at this again in more detail when I have more time. Meanwhile, I reall= y appreciate any suggestions anybody can make.</div><div><br></div><div>Che= ers,</div><div>Gregory</div><div><br></div><div><br><blockquote type=3D"cit= e"><div>On Nov 17, 2023, at 3:12 AM, Vampire <[email protected]> wrot= e:</div><br><div> =20 =20 =20 <div bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF"> <div bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF">Hi Gregory,</div> <div bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF"><br> </div> <div bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF">I was about to release 5.7.0 and there also updated the macOS app bundler.</div> <div bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF">Maybe you could quickly try=C2=A0<a href=3D"ht= tps://www.swisstransfer.com/d/b8bcf63b-b3d3-403c-a0ea-fd3adb6d83bd" target= =3D"_blank">https://www.swisstransfer.com/d/b8bcf63b-b3d3-403c-a0ea-fd3adb6= d83bd</a> ?<br> Actually, I don't think=C2=A0it changes much in what Java is discovered, from what I have seen in the changes, but who knows.</div= > <div bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF"><br> </div> <div bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF">If you are able to read C code, you could maybe see from=C2=A0<a href=3D"https://github.com/evo= lvedbinary/appbundler/blob/main/appbundler/native/main.m" target=3D"_blank"= >https://github.com/evolvedbinary/appbundler/blob/main/appbundler/native/ma= in.m</a> where Java runtimes are searched for.</div> <div bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF">From a very cursory look, I'd say it first searches for `/Library/Internet Plug-Ins/JavaAppletPlugin.plugin/Contents/Home/bin/java`</div> <div bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF">and then uses `/usr/libexec/java_home` to find a matching JVM.</div> <div bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF"><br> </div> <div bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF">If neither brings a result, it fails.</div> <div bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF"><br> </div> <div bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF">Besides that Oracle Java is anyway questionable to be used since they changed their licensing.</d= iv> <div bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF">So maybe you also try with Temurin as Bobb suggested.</div> <div bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF"><br> </div> <div bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF">Cheers</div> <div bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF">Bj=C3=B6rn</div> <br> <div>Am 07.11.2023 18:07, schrieb Gregory Garretson:<br> </div> <blockquote type=3D"cite"> =20 Hi Jack, <div><br> </div> <div>Thanks, but I=E2=80=99m afraid it doesn=E2=80=99t seem to. I=E2= =80=99ve installed both the JRE and the JDK, but jEdit still tells me to install Java 11 or later, even though I get this:</div> <div><br> </div> <div><div style=3D"margin:0px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:nor= mal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:11px;line-height:normal;font-family:Menlo= ;font-kerning:auto;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-variant-ligatures:no= rmal;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-featur= e-settings:normal"><span style=3D"font-variant-ligatures:no-common-ligature= s">java --version</span></div><div style=3D"margin:0px;font-style:norma= l;font-variant-caps:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:11px;line-height:n= ormal;font-family:Menlo;font-kerning:auto;font-variant-alternates:normal;fo= nt-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-a= sian:normal;font-feature-settings:normal"><span style=3D"font-variant-ligat= ures:no-common-ligatures">java 21.0.1 2023-10-17 LTS</span></div><div style=3D"margin:0px;font= -style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-stretch:normal;font-size:11px;l= ine-height:normal;font-family:Menlo;font-kerning:auto;font-variant-alternat= es:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-numeric:normal;font-va= riant-east-asian:normal;font-feature-settings:normal"><span style=3D"font-v= ariant-ligatures:no-common-ligatures">Java(TM) SE Runtime Environment (build 21.0.1+12-LTS-29)</span></div><di= v style=3D"margin:0px;font-style:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-stret= ch:normal;font-size:11px;line-height:normal;font-family:Menlo;font-kerning:= auto;font-variant-alternates:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-vari= ant-numeric:normal;font-variant-east-asian:normal;font-feature-settings:nor= mal"><span style=3D"font-variant-ligatures:no-common-ligatures">Java HotSpot(TM) 64-Bit Server VM (build 21.0.1+12-LTS-29, mixed mode, sharing)</span></div> </div> <div><span style=3D"font-variant-ligatures:no-common-ligatures"><br> </span></div> <div><span style=3D"font-variant-ligatures:no-common-ligatures">Any more thoughts?</span></div> <div><span style=3D"font-variant-ligatures:no-common-ligatures"><br> </span></div> <div><span style=3D"font-variant-ligatures:no-common-ligatures">Thank= s,</span></div> <div>Gregory</div> <div><span style=3D"font-variant-ligatures:no-common-ligatures"><br> </span></div> <div><br> <blockquote type=3D"cite"> <div>On Nov 7, 2023, at 4:56 PM, Jack W. <a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]" target=3D"_blank"><so= [email protected]></a> wrote:</div> <br> <div> <div dir=3D"ltr"> <div dir=3D"ltr">Does this help? <a href=3D"https://docs.orac= le.com/en/java/javase/11/install/installation-jdk-macos.html" target=3D"_bl= ank">https://docs.oracle.com/en/java/javase/11/install/installation-jdk-mac= os.html</a></div> <br> <div class=3D"gmail_quote"> <div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Tue, Nov 7, 2023 a= t 9:35=E2=80=AFAM Gregory Garretson <<a href=3D"mailto:s= [email protected]" target=3D"_blank">[email protected]</a>&g= t; wrote:<br> </div> <blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0= px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Now I hav= e a MacBook with an M3 Apple Silicon processor. <br> <br> My problem is that while jEdit 5.6 successfully installs on the machine, it doesn=E2=80=99t detect Java. = It looks for Java 11,</blockquote> </div> <br> <span class=3D"gmail_signature_prefix">-- </span><br> <div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_signature"> <div dir=3D"ltr"> <div> <div dir=3D"ltr"> <div> <div dir=3D"ltr"> <div> <div dir=3D"ltr"> <div> <div dir=3D"ltr"> <div> <div dir=3D"ltr"> <div style=3D"text-align:left"> <div dir=3D"ltr"> <div> <div dir=3D"ltr"> <div> <div dir=3D"ltr"><span styl= e=3D"font-family:monospace">Jack Woehr=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 # If it doesn't wor= k in Firefox,<br> Box 82, Beulah CO 81023=C2=A0 # it's broken.<br> <a href=3D"http://www.s= oftwoehr.com/" target=3D"_blank">http://www.softwoehr.com</a> # Just Say No to Chrome.</span><br> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </div> </blockquote> </div> <br> <br> <fieldset></fieldset> <br> <br> <fieldset></fieldset> <br> </blockquote> <br> </div> </div></blockquote></div><br></div></div></blockquote></div> --0000000000004204ce060a58997d-- --===============2394865353210312922== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline --===============2394865353210312922== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline -- ----------------------------------------------- jEdit Users' List [email protected] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jedit-users --===============2394865353210312922==--