Re: [sed-users meta] Yahoo Groups going away and the sed mailing list?

"Daniel Goldman [email protected] [sed-users]" <[email protected]> Wed, 16 Oct 2019 09:42:32 -0700
Newsgroups gmane.editors.sed.user
Message-ID <[email protected]>
Thanks very much for posting, since the deadline is coming soon.

flame on :(
I had long feared something like this happening, even worse that any day 
the site might crash and all the old content disappear, with no warning. 
The basic problem is that yahoo is and has long been a cr** company. For 
some reason, most yahoo software has always been (IMO) poorly designed 
and glitchy. For example, yahoo email has always had many problems, I 
know from personal experience. My best guess is this is related to "the 
dumbing down of the American programmer", with "let's try clicking on 
this" or "maybe this will work" style. Just the opposite of sed, which 
is oriented to the programmer who is in control of the software and 
knows what he/she is doing. Marisa Meyer taking over made things even 
worse, but maybe it was too late anyway. Then there was the huge user 
data breach, incredibly incompetent on the part of yahoo. Finally, yahoo 
was sold off and is apparently continuing to deteriorate. It is pitiful 
yahoo has to cut way back a working groups system. Even the announcement 
concerning the change is a bit vague. For example, the term "upload 
content" is poorly defined. They should spell out *exactly* what is 
going on.
flame off :)

Despite the vagueness, it seems clear that all old posts will go away 
(Dec 14) and that posting to online interface will go away (Oct 21). It 
also seems there will still be an online interface, where someone might 
ask to join, but no posting to an online form.

Maybe this is an opportunity. The yahoo groups software has never been 
that good anyway. I have previously mentioned this. 1) It displays line 
breaks differently (looks bad) depending on whether an email post or 
post directly to site. 2) More seriously, it has been documented to get 
confused about certain "odd" character sequences used in sed but not 
normally used in English words. :( This is extremely bad. I don't 
remember the exact details, but I remember 100% this has happened. I 
think this perhaps even happened in one of the previous two threads.

********* Sven, or whoever is current admin, do you have a way to 
automatically download all the archived content? I think it is very 
useful to save, one way or another we *must* save it, because there are 
many good examples and insights in the content.

********* Sven, or whoever is current admin, is there another platform 
we might migrate to? Or stick with email-only group? Or other preferred 
course of action? Any other thoughts or reflections?

If there is no response or good answer to the above two questions, I 
will see what I can do. But it would be better for the admin to look 
first, because they *might* have an easier way to download the content, 
and probably know more about all this than I do.

Daniel

On 10/16/2019 7:44 AM, Tim Chase [email protected] [sed-users] wrote:
> It's a little less dire than I initially thought since the email
> portion may still linger:
>
>>> Will I be able to use Yahoo Groups going forward?
>>
>> You'll still be able to communicate with your groups via email and
>> search for private groups on the site. In addition, admins will
>> continue to have limited access to group settings and administration
>> tools.
>
> but it sounds like this mailing-list is on life-support at this point.
>
> -tim
>
>
>
> On 2019-10-16 09:39, Tim Chase wrote:
>> Hey,
>>
>> Just saw this today
>>
>> https://help.yahoo.com/kb/SLN31010.html
>>
>> and it sounds like this mailing list will be going kaput and quite
>> soon at that.  Are there plans to migrate it (and possibly
>> historical messages) elsewhere?
>>
>> -tim
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
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> Posted by: Tim Chase <[email protected]>
> ------------------------------------
>


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