Re: Yahoo Groups going away -> sedusers.org

I also want to be kept on the list as well.

Siamack J.Farshi
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From: [email protected] <[email protected]> on behalf of Ca=
rlos [email protected] [sed-users] <[email protected]>
Sent: October 24, 2019 7:19 AM
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Yahoo Groups going away -> sedusers.org



Please keep me on the listThank you.Cjd

Carlos Delgado
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On Thu, 24 Oct 2019 at 5:22, Jan Silva [email protected] [sed-users]<sed-us=
[email protected]> wrote:
I also want to keep on the list although Im not being of much help currentl=
y

Jan Silva

Em seg, 21 de out de 2019 =E0s 20:28, Cameron Simpson [email protected]
[sed-users] <[email protected]> escreveu:

>
>
> On 21Oct2019 16:27, Sven Guckes <[email protected]> wrote:
> >* Daniel Goldman <[email protected]> [2019-10-17 08:31]:
> >> Sven, or whoever is current admin, do you have a way
> >> to automatically download all the archived content?
> >> I think it is very useful to save, one way or
> >> another we *must* save it, because there are
> >> many good examples and insights in the content.
> >
> >my current SEDUSERS folder contains 3,100+ messages.
> >starting June 2005. so there's this backup.
>
> I have messages going back to 2007, in case of gaps.
>
> >> Sven, or whoever is current admin, is there another platform
> >> we might migrate to? Or stick with email-only group? Or other
> >> preferred course of action? Any other thoughts or reflections?
> >
> >i had registered the domain sedusers.org exactly for this purpose.
> >(by the way, maillists at my ISP (in-berlin.de) run on mailman.)
> >the address of the list would simply be [email protected]
> >which hopefully is the right name for this.
> >
> >in fact, i had prepared a transition in 2016..
> >but then a few things happened to my health. :-/
> >
> >one of the open questions of this transition was whether we
> >migrate all users onto a new list forcibly - or let them
> >decide whether they want to subscribe again to it themselves.
>
> My opinion is that you should pull all the users. I'm sure many lurk. I
> lurk a lot. Send a post after the move explaining the new list and
> providing an explicit mention of the unsubscription process (in addition
> to the mailman footer).
>
> Um, _also_ send a post to the yahoo list describing the move. If one of
> my lists which I visit very rarely moved, and dropped lurkers (=3D=3D me)=
 I
> would want to be able to find out where it went months later when I
> dropped into its folder.
>
> >the new mailing list would definitely have these features:
> >NO "reply-to: list", and NO default footer/signature, and
> >NO attachments (also dropping text/html along the way).
> >
> >the rationale is that a reply-to-list might yield replies
> >which are actually meant for private communication, and
> >the result is usually from embarassing to catastrophic.
>
> Does this happen often? I would (again, personally) favour
> reply-to-list-by-default over personal-reply-by-default. We have
> constant problems in the python lists with new people (particularly
> people seeking help) replying to individual list members instead of the
> list.
>
> Many people do not choose their mailers, or lack a long history with
> email to inform their choices; many, particularly new people or those
> seeking help, do not even realise that reply-to-list vs reply-to-author
> is a thing they can choose, and if they come from forum-like
> environments will not realise that this off-list reply-to-author thing
> even happens until after the fact, if at all.
>
> I am _strongly_ in favour of automatic reply-to-list-by-default and
> anything we can do to make that the default is a good thing IMO.
>
> >besides, your mailer *should* have a command reply-to-list
> >(based on the addresses in the List-* headers).
> >this is the 3rd millennium, after all.
>
> Yes yes yes. But not the reality for naive users.
>
> >besides, the moderation for first time posters has saved
> >this list a TON of spam. and i would keep this as it is.
> >thanks to Ruud van Tol for helping me with the moderation.
>
> In favour of this, very useful. And thanks for your efforts here.
>
> >i would also restrict the size of messages to, say, 10KB.
> >my statistics over the years have shown
> >that 97% of all messages were under 5KB.
> >
> >this also stops messages with TOFU
> >(text over (above), full-quote under).
> >as these pile up quite quickly. this has
> >worked quite well for quite some other lists.
>
> I can see that this would help. In your experience, aside form rejecting
> excessive TOFU, do the rejectees come back with a revised post or do
> they vanish? The latter is usually undersirable, and TOFU can be
> somewhat addressed by the list members with some agressive editing of
> replies. I tend to additionally add a leading editorial on TOFU and the
> preferred "inline style" at the top of such replies, as short and
> nonagressive as I can, eg:
>
> Hi <person-name>,
>
> Please use the "inline style" in posts to this list, as I am doing in
> this post. This places your replies below relevant parts of the quote,
> like a conversation, and _discards_ the irrelevant quoted material.
>
> Further discussion of your message appears below...
>
> <inline-trimmed-reply...>
>
> Cheers,
> Cameron Simpson <[email protected]>
>
>

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