Re: The turned-down way of speaking

I think you're right there -- the rhetoricians taking Aristotle's term and trying not to translate it but just do a sort of "agenbite" equivalent in English. The LSJ entry https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.perseus.tufts.edu%2Fhopper%2Ftext%3Fdoc%3DPerseus%253Atext%253A1999.04.0057%253Aentry%253Dkatastre%252Ffw&data=02%7C01%7CCLASSICS-L%40LSV.UKY.EDU%7Ca27c1ff9a4254cea35cf08d7501ed8c3%7C2b30530b69b64457b818481cb53d42ae%7C0%7C0%7C637065965751523498&sdata=YgAYM6Bz9u%2F1miIcjHwedt0vezxs1M7WH9EH5hoH5RE%3D&reserved=0 is quite interesting: various down-turns and catastrophes, three Aristotelian passages quoted, with this one at the very end, a particular rhetorical-theory use of the fourth type of turning-down, the idea of directing missiles or words towards an end.
Owen Cramer

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Or is this odd expression simply the result of translating καταστρέφω literally as 'down-turn', irrespective of the meaninglessness of the result in English?

RH