Re: vase
Kenneth Kitchell <[email protected]> Thu, 31 Oct 2019 22:59:22 -0400
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i totally agree. Part of the argument I am making in the new article is that Greek vase painters were close observers of canine body language and could "read" dog gestures. Likewise, on some vases you can see the human's gestures as well and note that they are similar to ones we use today. I would be very grateful to the group for any references to training animals, not just dogs, to do tricks, in the Greek world. So something on how you train a horse to pull a chariot is not what I am after. Textual or artistic renditions are equally useful. Ken On 2019-10-31 14:00, June Samaras wrote: > Ken > > Quite apart from the interpretations in that article, the first time I > saw > that > engraving what struck me was the gesture made by the young man. > > It is exactly the "STAY" signal taught in a puppy training class > > https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.dog-training-excellence.com%2Fdog-training-hand-signals.html&data=02%7C01%7CCLASSICS-L%40lsv.uky.edu%7Cd2aeaf6ff0e84d605f9308d75e777fec%7C2b30530b69b64457b818481cb53d42ae%7C0%7C0%7C637081739678479243&sdata=jEnUXDXImZlpfG1S1Np9e8w3gWTtvpMUmr3qHqXZwAI%3D&reserved=0 > > > [image: image.png] > > June S > > <https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.avg.com%2Femail-signature%3Futm_medium%3Demail%26utm_source%3Dlink%26utm_campaign%3Dsig-email%26utm_content%3Dwebmail&data=02%7C01%7CCLASSICS-L%40lsv.uky.edu%7Cd2aeaf6ff0e84d605f9308d75e777fec%7C2b30530b69b64457b818481cb53d42ae%7C0%7C0%7C637081739678479243&sdata=%2FOQmOLsIi%2FVwzA5RYxj2QNwvCfpxdTJXcUn4mpqZyuc%3D&reserved=0> > Virus-free. > https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=www.avg.com&data=02%7C01%7CCLASSICS-L%40lsv.uky.edu%7Cd2aeaf6ff0e84d605f9308d75e777fec%7C2b30530b69b64457b818481cb53d42ae%7C0%7C0%7C637081739678479243&sdata=%2F3drIOWlsI6drK5RFz8C8%2Bt0ySlYr%2FbmX%2BkT%2FNFEE50%3D&reserved=0 > <https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.avg.com%2Femail-signature%3Futm_medium%3Demail%26utm_source%3Dlink%26utm_campaign%3Dsig-email%26utm_content%3Dwebmail&data=02%7C01%7CCLASSICS-L%40lsv.uky.edu%7Cd2aeaf6ff0e84d605f9308d75e777fec%7C2b30530b69b64457b818481cb53d42ae%7C0%7C0%7C637081739678479243&sdata=%2FOQmOLsIi%2FVwzA5RYxj2QNwvCfpxdTJXcUn4mpqZyuc%3D&reserved=0> > <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > > On Thu, 31 Oct 2019 at 12:33, Kenneth Kitchell > <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> My thanks to all who responded to my request for help finding a vase. >> It is indeed lost. >> Special thanks to Atticus Cox who provided the following. I thought I >> would share it: >> >> Details of this vase can be found on p.214 of Lear & Cantarella's >> 'Images of Greek Pederasty : Boys Were Their Gods' (2008). It can also >> be found discussed in Jenifer Neils' article 'Hare and the Dog: Eros >> tamed' at her academia.com page >> ( >> https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.academia.edu%2F12136963%2FHare_and_the_Dog_Eros_Tamed&data=02%7C01%7CCLASSICS-L%40lsv.uky.edu%7Cd2aeaf6ff0e84d605f9308d75e777fec%7C2b30530b69b64457b818481cb53d42ae%7C0%7C0%7C637081739678479243&sdata=%2FtBUlK5co8zGmDSwvkoywfb89mXy3OTgtehH9oAgM0o%3D&reserved=0), >> on >> pages 315-316, with n.27, which Identifies it as follows: >> >> "Basseggio (lost), Villa Giulia and Florence: ARV^2 374.62; BAPD >> 203960. >> See Reden, 1995, pl. 2a–c. >> Moore2008,32n.49erroneouslystatesthatthecupinnotinBeazley" >> >> I do note that there seems to be a problem with the illustrations. >> BAPD >> and the CAV describe the vase accurately, but the illustrations are a >> scattering of fragments which appear to have no relation to the now >> lost >> vase. Curioser and Curioser. >> >> Ken >> >> -- >> Kenneth Kitchell >> Prof. Emeritus, LSU and UMass Amherst >> -- Kenneth Kitchell Prof. Emeritus, LSU and UMass Amherst