Re: CJK in (auctex)I18n

From: David Kastrup <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: CJK in (auctex)I18n
Date: Thu, 24 Feb 2005 17:24:31 +0100

> Reiner Steib <[email protected]> writes:
> 
> > I wonder about why this comment has been removed:
> >
> > --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
> > --- auctex.texi	21 Feb 2005 16:15:35 -0000	1.211
> > +++ auctex.texi	23 Feb 2005 03:29:16 -0000	1.212
> > @@ -2512,8 +2512,6 @@
> >  European (Latin, Cyrillic, Greek) based languages, but special versions
> >  of @TeX{} and Emacs are needed for Korean, Japanese, and Chinese.
> >  
> > -@c FIXME: Is Emacs 21.4 able to deal with CJK?
> > -
> >  @menu
> >  * European::                    Using @AUCTeX{} with European Languages
> >  * Japanese::                    Japanese @TeX{}
> > --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---
> >
> > It refers to this text:
> >
> > ,----[ (info "(auctex)I18n") ]
> > | There are several problems associated with editing non-English TeX with
> > | GNU Emacs.  Modern versions of GNU Emacs and TeX are usable for
> > | European (Latin, Cyrillic, Greek) based languages, but special versions
> > | of TeX and Emacs are needed for Korean, Japanese, and Chinese.
> > `----
> >
> > If the CVS version of Emacs(Emacs 22; previously supposed to become
> > 21.4) is usable for CJK, we should mention it there instead of
> > referring to `special versions of Emacs'.  This is why I added this
> > comment.
> 
> AFAIK, Emacs-21.3 is usable for CJK, as well as any XEmacs containing
> MULE (though MULE, at least for Unicode, is not officially supported
> on the MULE version of XEmacs-21.4, which is not even available for
> Windows AFAIR).
> 
Hi, I'm Japanese contributor.

`Mule' is an abbreviation of MULtilingual Enhancement of GNU
EMACS.  In this case, `multilingual' means not only European
language, but also CJK, Arabic, Tibetan, Hebrew, etc... See
HELLO by `C-h h' if you are using FSF Emacs, and you can see
lots of supported languages; may be you need some fonts ;).

FSF Emacs supports mule from version 20.1, even early
Emacs20 have something wrong with Japanese.  Anyway, Emacs21
and CVS Emacs supports Mule, and it works fine.

Unfortunately, XEmacs does not support mule by default, it
should be configured with `--with-mule' for mule support.

> In general, "Modern versions" in the above paragraph refers to
> Emacs-19 and early Emacs-20 variants, as well as non-MULE compilations
> of XEmacs probably also at version 20 or later.

I saw the above paragraph in auc-tex.texi in AUCTeX 9.10g,
which is released on 1999-08-20.  Emacs 20.3 was the latest,
at that time.  It's all in the past.  AUCTeX works with
Emacs21 or later!

> That's what I think I understand from the matter.  It may be that
> Korean support is behind that of Japanese (MULE was contributed by a
> Japanese university project IRC).  But I believe in general that
> "usable for CJK" just means MULE.  I am copying Werner Lemberg with
> this message, maybe he knows more about it.  Also some of our Japanese
> contributors probably have more of a clue.
> 
> Basically, I guess the manual entry should be revised.

I agree.  I'll fix the document.

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