Re: I can do without that! (was: I want to use ECB)

I for one have used ecb on Mac OS X for quite some time without any issues.
I've never had a problem installing it.  If these instructions are too
complex, I'd suggest using a different editor than Emacs.

Keep up the great work Klaus!

Ryan


On 2/17/10 9:33 AM, "Berndl, Klaus" <[email protected]> wrote:

> First of all: I have not the impression that only a few people are using ECB.
> Second: I wrote the installation instructions when there was only a separate
> CEDET-package available,
> not that one now shipped with GNU Emacs (at least with the forthcoming Emacs
> release).
> I know that these instructions will not work when using the Emacs-shipped
> CEDET-suite but currently
> i'm to busy to fix this. I will try it in the future...
> Third: I had never tested installing ECB on mac OS simply because i do not
> have any.
> 
> Below you find the current install-instructions. And IMHO they are quite
> understandable and i can not
> see where each step contains other steps as you wrote...but i do not want to
> adamantly defend it
> because of course this is only my opinion and there is
> always the problem that good (supposed) output of the author can be bad input
> for the reader.
> I'm convinced it is possible either to write a better installation guide or to
> make a full auto. script.
> BUT: The time i can spend for ECB is very limited.
> 
> And now the most important part of my answer to you: Why to you offend me by
> naming 
> the installation guide CRAPPY? You are not forced to use it and you don't have
> to pay it so please
> stay courteous and polite.
> 
> Each constructive criticism is always very appreciated by me and i have always
> tried to enhance
> ECB and its manuals and often after very valuabel suggestions of ECB-users.
> 
> But i'm not interested in CRAPPY messages like yours. I can do without that!
> 
> regards
> Klaus
> 
> Current installation instructions for ECB:
> 
> Follow exatly these steps to install ECB:
> 
>   1. Fulfill all requirements ECB needs (*note Requirements::)
> 
>      ECB performs two autom checks:
> 
>         - At load-time: It checks if cedet is at least installed so ECB can
>           be loaded. If not it reports an error.
> 
>         - At start-time: It checks if the correct versions of cedet and
>           semantic are installed and gives you proper feedback.
> 
>      So if you are not sure if you have installed the required packages at
>      all or if you have installed the correct versions of these packages then
>      do not worry about this, just go on with the following installation
>      steps: If ECB is missing something it will give you proper feedback and
>      support not later than at load-time or start-time!
> 
>   2. Download and unpack the ECB archive (probably you have already done this
>      :-)
> 
>   3. Add the new ECB-directory to your `load-path' variable.
> 
>      You *MUST* add the ECB-install-directory to the `load-path' either by
>      changing the `load-path' variable directly in your `.emacs' or
>      `site-lisp/site-start.el' or by working with a file `subdirs.el'(1).
> 
>      So for example the needed entry for your `.emacs'-file could be:
> 
>         (add-to-list 'load-path
>                      "/path/to/your/ecb/installation/directory")
> 
>      *ATTENTION*: ECB is NOT properly installed if it's directory is not
>      added to `load-path' and for example just loaded by
> 
>         (load-file "/path/to/ecb/ecb.el")
> 
>      Do not do this! It will not work!
> 
>   4. Load ECB by adding code to your `.emacs':
> 
>      If you want to load the complete ECB at (X)Emacs-loadtime (Advantage:
>      All ECB-options available after loading ECB. Disadvantage: Increasing
>      loadtime(2)):
> 
>         (require 'ecb)
> 
>      If you want to load the ECB first after starting it by `ecb-activate'
>      (Advantage: Fast loading(3).  Disadvantage: ECB- and semantic-options
>      first available after starting ECB):
> 
>         (require 'ecb-autoloads)
> 
>      This loads all available autoloads of ECB, e.g. `ecb-activate',
>      `ecb-minor-mode', `ecb-byte-compile' and `ecb-show-help'.
> 
>      Regardless which method you prefer: In both cases the used statement
>      must be placed *after* the statement of step 3!
> 
>   5. Restart (X)Emacs.
> 
> ECB is now ready for use and can be activated by calling `M-x ecb-activate'
> or `ecb-minor-mode'.
> 
> ________________________________________
> Von: Jai Dayal [[email protected]]
> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 17. Februar 2010 03:30
> An: Berndl, Klaus; [email protected]
> Betreff: I want to use ECB
> 
> I want to use ECB on my macbook (OS X leopard), however, your installation
> process is, well, stupid.
> 
> You list these simple steps off your website ". Just follow these steps and
> the requirements of ECB are fulfilled."
> However, the problem is, each one of those "steps" contains several other
> steps.  The directions for these sub-steps
> are just as CRAPPY as your directions (none of the scripts work, for example)
> 
> I was able to install this on Ubuntu very easily (through the package
> manager).
> 
> Why can't you simply make a script that does this?  Are you saying the
> installation is too hard to script, but easy enough for someone else to do?
> 
> I mean, really.  It's a cool product, but there's a reason not many people use
> it:  YOUR INSTALLATION GUIDE SUCKS!
> 
> Sorry to be blunt, but I'm starting to think you're Sarah Palin's offspring.
> 
> Jai
> 
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