Re: Packages that work with LLMs - SmolLM seems problematic too

> Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2026 14:04:38 +0200
> Cc: Michel Lind <[email protected]>, [email protected]
> From: Ellie <[email protected]>
> 
> 
> 
> On 8/14/26 7:32 AM, Jean Louis wrote:
> > I will verify more of the LLMs which claim to be trully free, such as:
> > 
> > - Moxin github.com/moxin-org/Moxin-LLM -- but trained with the non-free 
> > LLM?
> > - OLMo (from Allen AI) allenai.org/olmo
> > - Marin github.com/dlwh/marin
> > - DaVinci github.com/GAIR-NLP/daVinci-LLM
> > - SmolLM github.com/huggingface/smollm (good candidate)
> > - OpenCoder opencoder-llm.github.io
> > 
> > ...
> > Jean Louis
> 
> I've now looked into the SmolLM model which seems problematic too. The 
> main page is listed here: SmolLM github.com/huggingface/smollm
> 
> They have an infographic, sadly it's an image only, that lists the 
> following data source for SmalLM: "FineMath" This seems to be referring 
> to this:
> 
> https://huggingface.co/datasets/HuggingFaceTB/finemath
> 
> Quote: "FineMath consists of 34B tokens (FineMath-3+) and 54B tokens 
> (FineMath-3+ with InfiMM-WebMath-3+) of mathematical educational content 
> filtered from CommonCrawl. To curate this dataset, we trained a 
> mathematical content classifier using annotations generated by 
> LLama-3.1-70B-Instruct. We used the classifier to retain only the most 
> educational mathematics content, focusing on clear explanations and 
> step-by-step problem solving rather than advanced academic papers."
> 
> As I pointed out in a previous email, Common Crawl just seems to be 
> public websites with all sorts of licensing, including potentially 
> proprietary. The info given has no indication that this was filtered for 
> FOSS licensing, let alone licensing compatible with not giving any 
> attribution as models tend not to do during operation.
> 
> Therefore, I don't really see now SmolLM's output is open either. But I 
> could be wrong, check above sources for yourself, this isn't legal 
> advice, etc. etc.

These discussions of specific LLMs seem to be very far out of the
topics for this mailing list.  I hoped that allowing a few messages on
these issues will make the discussion end soon, but it looks like it
all goes in the opposite direction: more and more messages about this
or that LLM are being posted, and there''s no end to them.

So I'm now asking you and others to please take this discussion
elsewhere, as it is no longer related to Emacs closely enough to
justify the additional noise level.  [email protected] seems a
much better place.

TIA