Re: XEmacs at a crossroads

Andrés Ramírez writes:

 > I have always thought why Lucid-x-toolkit is never updated?

Well, Lucid basically was out of business 20 years ago.  The version
we have in XEmacs has been maintained and upgraded over the years (eg,
to add tabs, progress bars, and generic "native" widgets), and I am
sure it has diverged substantially from the version GNU Emacs uses.  I
don't know how much they've improved their version but I know they
haven't added the additional widget support we have.

 > How  the Lucid-x-toolkit got on GNU/Emacs?

I don't know; maybe the record is in their repo history.  The rest of
Lucid Emacs was FSF-assigned, but curiously enough, this is the only
part of Lucid Emacs that was not assigned to the FSF (it was used in
other parts of the Lucid Energize suite, so they wouldn't let it go, I
guess).  Even more curiously, RMS let it in; I don't know who owns
those copyrights now.  (Maybe Richard Gabriel? yes, Richard "Worse Is
Better" Gabriel.)

 > Why there is no a 'prelude' (dot emacs distribution) equivalent or
 > something like that, just for downloading Xemacs, another tarball and
 > enjoy the full Xemacs experience quickly? (even downloading
 > automatically some mule-packages from the web)

In 2000, the logic was, Windows, MSFT is no help and you gotta buy a
compiler, OK, we'll provide an installer.  Otherwise, all the distros
have it in their packages.  It doesn't get quicker than that.  After
that, we lost manpower and become ever more dependent on the distros
though we still 

 > ps: that Lucid toolkit is a great piece of sw. It is still relevant
 > on 2015. And is going to be as long as the gtk bug is not closed
 > (not going to be closed on the near future)

Hard to believe it's 25 years old, isn't it?  The only problem I have
with Lucid is that it's full of Lisp idioms ... but it's not part of
Emacs Lisp, it's a whole extra layer of API.


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