Re: [VETO] Support package-prefix and fix mail-locking in configure

"Stephen J. Turnbull" <[email protected]> writes:

>>>>>> "Ben" == Ben Wing <[email protected]> writes:
>
>     Ben> Although maybe no one has asked for this kind of stuff, I
>     Ben> think that's because most people just give up before trying
>     Ben> to install packages themselves since it's too complicated and
>     Ben> not well documented.  I have a feeling this turns off a fair
>     Ben> number of people, who may just go use GNU Emacs because
>     Ben> everything comes with it automatically.
>
> It's possible, of course, but actually I've never seen that said, at
> least not seriously.  I think we should worry about doing it right
> because it simplifies other things _we_ want to do, not because users
> are going to thank us for saving their bandwidth or something.
>
> I suspect we'd solve many of our "what is this SUMO thing" problems by
> providing a netinstall of 21.5 --with-mule!

Hi Stephen,

does the installshield kit with all packages at
http://ftp.xemacs.org/pub/xemacs/binaries/win32/installshield/xemacs-21.5.17.exe
not help?

Best regards,

Adrian

>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Rationale:
>
> Take this character Xah Lee on c.e.x.  He used to use XEmacs, then he
> switched to GNU Emacs.  He was pleasantly surprised (out loud,
> cross-posted to c.e and c.e.x---I think he's a troll, really) at all
> the stuff that's in GNU Emacs, then immediately started bitching about
> the features he misses from XEmacs, including several packages that
> are in the SUMOs.
>
> Really, people tend to be disappointed with GNU Emacs, to the extent
> where David Kastrup is regularly deprecating use of stable GNU Emacsen
> on c.e.x (and often crossposted to c.e).  OTOH, CVS Emacs was
> regularly delivering DOAs (on some platform in some config; truly
> busted commits are of course very rare) as late as last September, so
> people respond to David with "Yah, raaaaaight."
>
> Except for Windows people (and ex-Windows people moving to Unix), I've
> really not seen very many complaints on the MLs or c.e.x, and in the
> last two years none, about installing the SUMOs.  And for the Windows
> "just give me an editor" types, the real answer should be "provide a
> netinstall of 21.5 --with-mule".  The people who build XEmacs because
> they _want_ to don't have problems; the people who have problems are
> generally building 21.5 because they need Mule.
>
> You may be seeing complaints from elsewhere, though.

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